May 28, 2024·1 reply
thegreatdivine
ofc he’s not gonna say “yeah i wrote a bunch of s*** on there”
May 28, 2024
SalarymanApparently these are both A.I. generated. You f***ing fools. What the f*** is wrong with you f***s. Wow.
May 28, 2024
SkydwellerIs it outlandish to say the Drake reference leaks are worse than the Kanye leaks. I don’t think we’ve ever gotten an entire track word for word bar for Kanye. And on top of that many Kanye demos have him coming up with the flow at least
Yeah pretty outlandish because we have gotten that word for word ref tracks from ye. Drake did one for him
May 28, 2024
The Darkest AngelI just got back and seen the title change. Let me guess... yall pretending to like Rachet Happy Birthday now
Pnd’s version is better lol
May 28, 2024
BrickellBaysideCash also called cap on this, no?
Cash posted a pic of Iverson (AI) on his IG in response to the "Calling For You" reference track being legit
- May 28, 2024·2 repliesBrickellBayside
As a drake fan this is really what gets me
Oliver in a past interview said to always submit ideas because the boy is always working and it’s the fact that some of these ‘ideas’ are records from PARTYNEXTDOOR, Vory, Weeknd for a period, Yatchy, etc. really great songwriters
So like, while drake’s pen is obviously goated, it’s much easier to be elite and be prolific when I have unlimited access to songs from songwriters like that.
Even Taylor Swift has started co-writing with other trusted writers heavily since 2020 because she's increased her output rate. This is the same woman who has written about 5 albums entirely by herself. If her co-writers can bring her new ideas that she can then expound on and make great songs, what's wrong with that?
As for Drake, his most lyrical and personal songs are still all him. It's these Viney songs that use entirely different flows and cadences that he's getting assistance on and he's also writing on them as well.
- May 28, 2024·1 replylewinskysdress
ofc he’s not gonna say “yeah i wrote a bunch of s*** on there”
You're an idiot.
May 28, 2024Thread going through it
- May 28, 2024
MozartI dont like the argument that it's not a ghostwriter cause they are credited. Writing credits dont tell us anything about a person contributions.
That being said, reference tracks dont actually tell us who wrote what either. Drake could write the track and have someone else help with the flow. Although honestly that seems pretty unlikely. It seems like Drake uses reference tracks for his more...creative/unique stuff. Which makes sense. I like Mob Ties. Didnt care for Jumbotron or that Cash Cobain song. (I dont think it was AI) . If you wanna last in the game it's really hard to just sit and come up with everything yourself.
I guess the issue becomes why exactly are people so convinced Drake writes his "lyrical" tracks. But then again, how do we really know anyone does.
Have no way of knowing this but it feels like references and writers assist drake with more unique, ambitious flows, more filler stuff
It seems like, he’s a great writer who’s obsessed with being prolific, new, and current and that lends itself to a need for fresh ideas and what not. If you ask him to do a 8am in Charlotte or ‘Away from Home’ he can do that in his sleep
But a song like Jumbotron or Mob Ties or Calling for You is quite unique for a typical rapper
- May 28, 2024·3 repliesthegreatdivine
Even Taylor Swift has started co-writing with other trusted writers heavily since 2020 because she's increased her output rate. This is the same woman who has written about 5 albums entirely by herself. If her co-writers can bring her new ideas that she can then expound on and make great songs, what's wrong with that?
As for Drake, his most lyrical and personal songs are still all him. It's these Viney songs that use entirely different flows and cadences that he's getting assistance on and he's also writing on them as well.
I don't even know why ppl are buggin about credited writers, DAMN. had 40+ writers. S***, DUCKWORTH has 18 officially credited at this point
- May 28, 2024Thizzer
Also imagine Kendrick fans try to champion vory after this lmao would be the funniest irony
Drake puling that dv card knowing he literally repeating words from the lips of an abuser 💔💔💔
May 28, 2024·2 repliesI can’t wait till a timestamp reference leaks
- May 28, 2024·1 replythegreatdivine
Even Taylor Swift has started co-writing with other trusted writers heavily since 2020 because she's increased her output rate. This is the same woman who has written about 5 albums entirely by herself. If her co-writers can bring her new ideas that she can then expound on and make great songs, what's wrong with that?
As for Drake, his most lyrical and personal songs are still all him. It's these Viney songs that use entirely different flows and cadences that he's getting assistance on and he's also writing on them as well.
I don’t disagree with you
And I don’t think any of these reference tracks are even an indictment on his pen.
It feels way more salacious than it really is. He’s an excellent writer who works with other writers at times to get fresh new more unique records. His output is insane so it all makes sense
It’s not the gotcha moment that Twitter is making it out to be because we all know his pen is legendary so the insinuation that comes with these references is kind of dumb
- May 28, 2024·1 replyYeezydawg
I can’t wait till a timestamp reference leaks
That’s never happening. Out of his own mouth he said he ain’t need help with those lol
(But if it does I’m out lmao)
- May 28, 2024
fun guyDrake is probably the busiest person in the world with how hard he works and the lifestyle he lives (which entails f***ing bad b****es 24/7) but apparently KTT thinks he shouldn't be able to work with other artists to help him streamline the creative process and increase output... makes no sense.
which entails f***ing bad b****es 24/7
Too worried 'bout b****es and fashion, they go missin' in action
- May 28, 2024Typec
I don't even know why ppl are buggin about credited writers, DAMN. had 40+ writers. S***, DUCKWORTH has 18 officially credited at this point
Samples lol
May 28, 2024·1 replyBrickellBaysideThat’s never happening. Out of his own mouth he said he ain’t need help with those lol
(But if it does I’m out lmao)
He wrote 5AM in Toronto
He wrote 5AM in Toronto
- May 28, 2024Typec
I don't even know why ppl are buggin about credited writers, DAMN. had 40+ writers. S***, DUCKWORTH has 18 officially credited at this point
Many of those are samples/producers but yes, music is largely a collaborative process regardless and that's the whole point. You as the primary songwriter/performer are working with producer(s), engineers, etc to bring these songs to life. If anyone doesn't do their job correctly, we don't get a good song.
May 28, 2024TypecI don't even know why ppl are buggin about credited writers, DAMN. had 40+ writers. S***, DUCKWORTH has 18 officially credited at this point
Boy wait until you google every last name
And realize how dumb you are- May 28, 2024·1 replyYeezydawg
I can’t wait till a timestamp reference leaks
Never gonna happen.
- May 28, 2024·1 replythegreatdivine
Never gonna happen.
We can literally tell when Drake is just alone with himself on certain records, rapping
- May 28, 2024Salaryman
Apparently these are both A.I. generated. You f***ing fools. What the f*** is wrong with you f***s. Wow.
Kenneth COPELAND
- May 28, 2024Salaryman
Apparently these are both A.I. generated. You f***ing fools. What the f*** is wrong with you f***s. Wow.
Source?
- May 28, 2024CRACKASTEPPAVEGAN
He wrote 5AM in Toronto
He wrote 5AM in Toronto
🙏🏾 🙏🏾 🙏🏾
In all seriousness though he explained this on rap radar really well and in the fader a few years back
It’s just ppl want for drake to be exposed so badly that all context is voided
- May 28, 2024·1 replyBrickellBayside
I don’t disagree with you
And I don’t think any of these reference tracks are even an indictment on his pen.
It feels way more salacious than it really is. He’s an excellent writer who works with other writers at times to get fresh new more unique records. His output is insane so it all makes sense
It’s not the gotcha moment that Twitter is making it out to be because we all know his pen is legendary so the insinuation that comes with these references is kind of dumb
That's really what it boils down to at the end of the day. We also have to give these artists a lot more credit because really, they're also master curators. We can say "Rihanna and Beyoncé don't write their s***" but they are excellent curators. They have an ear for what works. That's a skill in and of itself that many songwriters themselves lack. Their ability to elevate songs and make them something else entirely. Another skill. It's so many levels to this music thing but I get how people only care about getting their surface-level takes off lol.