It’s still not consensual because the Hive is quite literally incapable of giving consent

It’s like having s***with someone blackout drunk while you’re sober

I mean how do we know that was Z trying to kiss her and not the hive?

Carol didn’t ask for it but still went through with it knowing it’s wrong, she didn’t have to kiss her back or have s***correct? SHE still has the ability to say no, correct?

Literally what I’ve been trying to say.

How’ is it any other scenario people will argue the nuances of consent but now it’s different?

For some reason some people are acting like consent doesn’t apply because this is a fictional hive mind, which I get to a certain extent, but the show already established the fact that a reversal of the virus IS possible, meaning that the actual person is still inside the body. That’s why I think consent still 100% matters in this show

Yup I agree. And I think just acting like that factor don’t exist takes away from a layer of the complexity of the show.

All I know is no one was hyping up Diabete. Carol looked at him like he was a weirdo. Now all sudden the narrative changing…

It’s not like blackout drunk when sober lol . It’s been explained since the beginning of the show that it’s a frequency that connects all of humanity with shared goals and emotions . They are connected . All of their thoughts are in there .

Carol isn’t asking them for s***. Zoisia or ( all of humanity ) whether for manipulation ir whatever went for the kiss.

All of humanity INCLUDING zoisia is controlling zoisia body

What you are arguing or implying is that zoisia has no control , recollection or that all of humanity in the state of joining doesn’t want be joined .

I don’t think they are as worried about the perceptions of s***vs 10 remaining years . I fully agree they are all aware of it

I didn’t watch any teasers for the finale but did see something about christmas carol that’s kinda funny

Yeah they’ve been using Christmas graphic

Bro it’s forced consent. Quite literally.

Do they have the ability to say no or refuse anything? Are they now programmed to give you what you want or what they THINK will make you happy?

I get what you are saying but 100% don’t see them deep diving into this . Is the plot you want people turn back and view Carol as a rapist ? Like that would get people to turn this show off even faster than already .

It has already been established numerous times that the Hive will say yes to literally any request that the 13 survivors have. Therefore, it is non-consensual. There’s really no debate about it lmao

Debating if a science fiction hive mind can consent. Really high concept stuff here. Hopefully Vince really digs into that in season 2. Maybe they can cancel Carol!

Carol accused Diabatte of that, is it not hypocritical for her to then turn around and do the same thing?

Zosia said she grew up in Gdansk. That's not a "small town". It's one of the bigger cities in Poland (formerly known as Danzig, Germany).

What confuses me is that when we are first introduced to her before she flies to Albuquerque she seemed to be somewhere in the Mediterranean region, I think an Arab country like Lebanon or Tunisia.

But perhaps she was there on vacation or some other reason before she was joined to the hive mind or she was sent there to assist in cleanup.

She's the one without any agency. She depends on them entirely. They use the totality of human experience to woo her. They freeze her out and isolate her. They use all of their knowledge about her and resources to ply her. They are in control. Not Carol.

Alright enough entertaining that nonsense

These mfs eat people and yall crying about consent

You can’t be reading

Zoisia went for kiss with Carol

Zoisia soul is in her body

Zoisia memories are in her body

So when Carol ask what do you like

She isn’t asking the hive she is asking ZOISIA

before episode 8 you saw me discuss it . There are still some levels of weird to it but it’s different than diabatte and they spent most of episode 8 showing how it’s different . Even if both are charm offensive as in attempting to use charm

Nah there’s mad rape apologist in here, yall niggas weird as f***.

Part of what I am getting at in a way too

And taco this ain’t aimed at you. More so Benny mando niggas weird

They handpicked Zosia because she resembled Carol's fictious lover that she had to gender swap for her novel. This has been their move since Day 1

When you don’t understand what is being said so you accuse people of being pro rape

Wait who raped who tf y'all talmbout

That’s still NOT Zosia though, I don’t understand how anyone is defending this lmao

@BuryYaTaco read first dummy