TheFader

6mo

Yeah off the Vince Gilligan name, he’s TV royalty

The interesting metrics will be how many people return for Season 2

YANDHI

6mo

Don't really mind the complaints. It is a pretty slow show. Doesn't mean it isn't actively building to something special.

Gilligan is a slow burner and most audiences haven't watched him from the start in real time. BB's crowd is almost entirely binge watchers. A lot of the audience here is goodwill from Gilligan's reputation more than it is the premise bringing them in.

Everything doesn't always have to come down to complaining about attention spans. What do you really expect when there's only 1 character and essentially no recurring cast? If you're not buying into Carol yet there's basically nothing to hold you down.

We don't actually know where this goes either or what the stakes really are.

Vicko77

6mo

This is kinda bs cuz bb and bcs had almost no audience throughout their 6 seasons, they blew up in the final episodes/after they ended

ANTI

6mo

Even if that were the case, how would that negate what he said? If a majority of his audience came from post-airing Netflix bingers, would those people not be there for a new show of his?

BuryYaTaco

6mo

The wire has a lot more characters , has to build a world of Baltimore which many of us don’t know of the crime and cops . More characters talking . Each season covering a different aspect . What you guys are missing with the slow comments is THERE ARE LESS CHARACTERS TO ENGAGE WITH. We’ve seen laxmi 3 times diabatte 3 times Carol every episode manusos like 4 times and heavy this episode . The rest is the hive. Story just set in our world overall . There is less to take in .

With the main goal being cure the hive or feed the hive. Many of us know or feel it won’t be cured for multiple seasons or if it is cured they will be different . Questions of the alien signal , why they are immune or will a survivor choose to turn remain . There was the Native American woman who said she wanted to join them did she ?

Keeping the show so tight on Carol has its pros and cons because she is only so interesting

Vicko77

6mo

That's literally what happened with bcs, it had all the bb clout and the show still struggled asf with it's ratings

YANDHI

6mo

People watched on Netflix. It gave the show a global audience who didn't need to turn on cable to check it out.

The overall universe had 11 seasons a movie. Downward trend is expected, especially given the context of cable TV losing audiences during the cable cutter era.

This doesn't detract from Gilligan still being a known name. Apple rarely has shows that start out with a big audience. The fact this is already its biggest is a complete anomaly.

Vicko77

6mo

That's literally what happened with bcs, it had all the bb clout and the show still struggled asf with it's ratings

Jonboi

6mo

I think a good comparison to the pace of Pluribus is actually El Camino, which also was "show, not tell", and featured minimal dialogue / characters. Do we agree on that?

Vicko77

6mo

...never watched it lol

ANTI

6mo

Second time you’ve resorted to making fun of my profile (in which everything about it is ironic) instead of engaging in a meaningful discussion about the show.

And the one time you did engage me when we were discussing the pacing, you bowed out after just one reply because you’re not really about it.

Vince Gilligan is not a master of television. He’s never going to be David Chase, or David Simon, or Matthew Weiner, or Damon Lindelof. He made one great television series almost two decades ago that, in reality, operated better as a popcorn-munching binge watch than anything serious, he followed it up with a decent but uneven prequel, and now he finds himself s***ting the bed week after week as he attempts and fails to operate in a realm that he nor his colleagues are cut out for.

edit: I’ll give him some credit for the X-Files too.

Vicko77

6mo

Copy pasting for my previous reply cuz u either skipped it or have serious lack of comprehension skills:

I was only comparing it to the wire in pacing terms, they literally the opposite in everything else what you even talking about

Just because Gilligan wants to make a minimalistic work doesn't make it better or worse than any other show with 200 characters

Jonboi

6mo

The stakes are that our characters are trying to save the world. On top of that, the stakes are that our characters are trapped in a sociological experiment where they're suffering from loneliness on an extreme scale.

Platinum

6mo

The stakes actually don't feel that high to me. So far I don't really care what happens to Carol if I'm honest, her loved one is gone and she doesn't really like people so she will probably be unhappy anyway. I assume she had no family as that's not been mentioned. Everyone else is happy.

I'm intrigued in how this season will end though and what "saving the world" means.

I would like to know what that alien signal was, what was significant about it since it was happening for millions of years, and why the signal was needed when they could turn all humans when they wanted to anyway (and I'm not sure how they did that).

YANDHI

6mo

Don't really mind the complaints. It is a pretty slow show. Doesn't mean it isn't actively building to something special.

Gilligan is a slow burner and most audiences haven't watched him from the start in real time. BB's crowd is almost entirely binge watchers. A lot of the audience here is goodwill from Gilligan's reputation more than it is the premise bringing them in.

Everything doesn't always have to come down to complaining about attention spans. What do you really expect when there's only 1 character and essentially no recurring cast? If you're not buying into Carol yet there's basically nothing to hold you down.

We don't actually know where this goes either or what the stakes really are.

Vicko77

6mo

This is kinda bs cuz bb and bcs had almost no audience throughout their 6 seasons, they blew up in the final episodes/after they ended

YANDHI

6mo

Don't really mind the complaints. It is a pretty slow show. Doesn't mean it isn't actively building to something special.

Gilligan is a slow burner and most audiences haven't watched him from the start in real time. BB's crowd is almost entirely binge watchers. A lot of the audience here is goodwill from Gilligan's reputation more than it is the premise bringing them in.

Everything doesn't always have to come down to complaining about attention spans. What do you really expect when there's only 1 character and essentially no recurring cast? If you're not buying into Carol yet there's basically nothing to hold you down.

We don't actually know where this goes either or what the stakes really are.

ANTI

6mo

Second time you’ve resorted to making fun of my profile (in which everything about it is ironic) instead of engaging in a meaningful discussion about the show.

And the one time you did engage me when we were discussing the pacing, you bowed out after just one reply because you’re not really about it.

Vince Gilligan is not a master of television. He’s never going to be David Chase, or David Simon, or Matthew Weiner, or Damon Lindelof. He made one great television series almost two decades ago that, in reality, operated better as a popcorn-munching binge watch than anything serious, he followed it up with a decent but uneven prequel, and now he finds himself s***ting the bed week after week as he attempts and fails to operate in a realm that he nor his colleagues are cut out for.

edit: I’ll give him some credit for the X-Files too.