BIRDIN84

6mo

This show every time you think the plot bout to make a significant step forward

Vicko77

6mo

she is uninteresting to YOU, which is not a flaw in itself at all. Is not like saying, for example, that Willa from One Battle After Another is a one-dimensional character whose inner world is never explored in the slightest, has almost no character traits, no interests, no goals being shown. Thats's a flaw.

There's no such thing as "pointless pacing", is just not the pacing you're accustomed to nor the type of pacing that stimulates you. A flawed pacing would be, for example, something rushed that makes every payoff feel null; if the show cuts right away to Manousos walking in the jungle and all of the sudden he falls back into that tree, it wouldn't even have 5% of the effect it has after everything we saw him getting through.

And lastly, what exposition you even talking about

Jonboi

6mo

Oh it takes plenty of steps forward, but they involve character development, and a lot of people don't really care about that as much for some reason. Carol is in an entirely different place at the end of this episode than she was after the last.

Vicko77

6mo

this meme but make it dc instead

TheFader

6mo

Like I said a few episodes ago, for the casual viewer it’s not really about what’s happening but moreso how it’s happening

I agree that Carol is in a much different place at the end of Episode 7

But how we got to that place could be seen as very monotonous and tiresome to watch.

While I enjoyed the episode overall, I too was finding myself getting a little irritated during the first Carol section. We’ve been watching her do s*** like that for like three or four episodes now. The Manousos segment is what won me over

Jonboi

6mo

I'd actually say that for the average viewer it's about what's happening, not why it's happening.

ANTI

6mo

Second time you’ve resorted to making fun of my profile (in which everything about it is ironic) instead of engaging in a meaningful discussion about the show.

And the one time you did engage me when we were discussing the pacing, you bowed out after just one reply because you’re not really about it.

Vince Gilligan is not a master of television. He’s never going to be David Chase, or David Simon, or Matthew Weiner, or Damon Lindelof. He made one great television series almost two decades ago that, in reality, operated better as a popcorn-munching binge watch than anything serious, he followed it up with a decent but uneven prequel, and now he finds himself s***ting the bed week after week as he attempts and fails to operate in a realm that he nor his colleagues are cut out for.

edit: I’ll give him some credit for the X-Files too.

Vicko77

6mo

Just bc they don't care about it doesn't take out the fact that is still a flaw lmao, what

TheFader

6mo

Where I think people are being disingenuous is when they compare the slow start of this show to the slow starts of BB and BCS.

While yes, you can argue that those two shows started slow as well, it’s basically two different flavors of “slow” entirely.

Pluribus feels paced much, much slower because of how isolating and solitary it is in nature. Most of the runtime this season has been Carol doing something… alone… without any dialogue or very little dialogue during the sequence.

BB & BCS were not as isolated in their opening seasons.

Say what you want about Netlflix brain and TikTok slop and superhero sludge and whatever whatever, but honestly I don’t think a show like this in the way it’s being presented would’ve been greenlit 20/30 years ago. The premise is interesting for sure, but the way it’s being told is something that only would’ve been allowed to exist during the streaming era in my opinion

Vicko77

6mo

The wire was released 23 years ago

ANTI

6mo

Second time you’ve resorted to making fun of my profile (in which everything about it is ironic) instead of engaging in a meaningful discussion about the show.

And the one time you did engage me when we were discussing the pacing, you bowed out after just one reply because you’re not really about it.

Vince Gilligan is not a master of television. He’s never going to be David Chase, or David Simon, or Matthew Weiner, or Damon Lindelof. He made one great television series almost two decades ago that, in reality, operated better as a popcorn-munching binge watch than anything serious, he followed it up with a decent but uneven prequel, and now he finds himself s***ting the bed week after week as he attempts and fails to operate in a realm that he nor his colleagues are cut out for.

edit: I’ll give him some credit for the X-Files too.

TheFader

6mo

Where I think people are being disingenuous is when they compare the slow start of this show to the slow starts of BB and BCS.

While yes, you can argue that those two shows started slow as well, it’s basically two different flavors of “slow” entirely.

Pluribus feels paced much, much slower because of how isolating and solitary it is in nature. Most of the runtime this season has been Carol doing something… alone… without any dialogue or very little dialogue during the sequence.

BB & BCS were not as isolated in their opening seasons.

Say what you want about Netlflix brain and TikTok slop and superhero sludge and whatever whatever, but honestly I don’t think a show like this in the way it’s being presented would’ve been greenlit 20/30 years ago. The premise is interesting for sure, but the way it’s being told is something that only would’ve been allowed to exist during the streaming era in my opinion

TheFader

6mo

What is happening is Carol trying to assimilate to the loneliness of her predicament, realizing she can’t, and then begging for the hive to return to her so she’s not alone anymore.

But do you really think the average viewer wants to experience that by watching her hit golf balls and set off fireworks?

Jonboi

6mo

Well, the start of BCS definitely felt slower to me. For me, it's partly because Mike's stuff was so disconnected from Saul's stuff, but for other people it's because it was a slow burn character study. I mean... that's a show where Saul doesn't even get his name until what was it... season 4? I don't think BCS is a different flavor of slow than Pluribus, especially given how high concept Pluribus is. You're discounting how common it was to hear people say they couldn't get into BCS at the start. That show gained momentum as it went on.

TheFader

6mo

The Wire was nowhere near as isolated and solitary as this show is.

Half of damn near every episode has been a silent film lmao

Vicko77

6mo

No, they want to see her talking to the camera and say "im alone and im having a bad mental health" cut to manousos arriving to the darien in 15 seconds, gets injured and the helicopter arrives
the end

Vicko77

6mo

It was 3000x times slower than this and that's why literally nobody watched it

TheFader

6mo

Idk why y’all are acting like average viewers can’t enjoy extremely high quality shows

Succession wasn’t slop whatsoever and people loved the hell out that show

TheFader

6mo

Idk why y’all are acting like average viewers can’t enjoy extremely high quality shows

Succession wasn’t slop whatsoever and people loved the hell out that show

CHROMED_OUT_1100

6mo

Reducing bcs to an “uneven , decent prequel”

Vicko77

6mo

Completely different type of audiences and also is literally paced like The Big Short, it fits perfectly in today's age

Vicko77

6mo

It was 3000x times slower than this and that's why literally nobody watched it

TheFader

6mo

You’re still acting like people that aren’t enjoying this show only want TikTok-content slop shows. I don’t think that’s the case whatsoever lmao. This show being slow doesn’t automatically make it high art, it’s just very slow.

I still think it’s good, but pointing out the fact that it’s slow shouldn’t be such a hostile opinion to have

TheFader

6mo

You’re still acting like people that aren’t enjoying this show only want TikTok-content slop shows. I don’t think that’s the case whatsoever lmao. This show being slow doesn’t automatically make it high art, it’s just very slow.

I still think it’s good, but pointing out the fact that it’s slow shouldn’t be such a hostile opinion to have