ah yes

they'd never lie

i mean, not gonna lie, i don't trust bureaucracy either but i trust it more than the press

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hold up wait a second why has this story not resurfaced, this should be a huge f***ing deal that Trump and his family PERSONALLY laundered money through the f***ing IRGC, which Trump is labeling as anti-american terrorists? can't wait for democrats to ignore this one and instead try to censure him for saying dumb s*** on twitter

full disclosure i hate the press and the new yorker but apparently this story has been fully confirmed by the trump organization since 2017, it's not a new story it's simply resurfacing

so was he a good guy or bad guy?

someone keep it 100% and tell me the truth

He was a terrible guy. Most of the Iranian government is.

he existed in a morally gray area, he did good and bad. he was against al-qaeda/the taliban/ISIS for example, which I think would normally be considered good. however, he was also basically a very powerful shadow commander who contributed to suppression of iraqi, afghan, lebanese, iranian, and syrians essentially because of connections to regime forces. you can argue he was only able to do so by being indirectly enabled by the presence/intervention of the US, I guess. he was connected to many regional conflicts with foreign forces as well such as the US and Israel mainly, if you consider that justified or not is up to you.

you think it's good that he died?

I have mixed emotions on it. There are many - although not universal by any means - in the middle east who would be relieved by his death in a general sense because it weakens the relative power of certain regimes. However, the context of it right now regarding this crazy escalation and Trump's threats of straight up war crimes and insults to culture rather than regime are not only way out of line but also solely negative.
That said, if you are more inherently nationalistic (toward the US) and believe current US interests are always justified, then maybe this would be something you may support, because it objectively weakens US and US ally enemies in the region. Strategically however, it's just a straight up awful move. I don't fall into that camp though.
Similarly, if you're a very overwhelmingly pro-Israel person, it's objectively a good move because it vastly benefits Israel. I don't fall in that camp either.
There are reports "well we killed him because not only did he plan the Iraq embassy riot but he was planning to kill US military in Iraq". Well...I mean, the US has lied continually about our involvement and reasons for involvement here. The military has done a lot of horrid stuff there and at this point you're probably playing chicken or the egg when it comes to arguing about military justification or retaliation.

Horrible person and iran is in it deep with the swamp demons. Dont let the msm and drones on here tell you otherwise

Aka try it

you're more concerned with talking about how others will respond to things than you are actually talking about things

People like you prolly thought iraq would cease to exist in a week too lmao. You guys have no f***ing clue how war works. If the US thought it could in and topple middle eastern countries in a week, guess what, it would.

you mess with one bean you get the whole burrito is pretty much what you saying?

thanks for explaining bro

he was just some hardass general. not a benevolent guy to us, but not some terrorist sitting making pipe bombs in a cave somewhere like people are insinuating

obviously his best interest was expanding the influence of iran in the middle east

would be entirely irrelevant to us, if we weren't trying to do the same thing

do you think it's good that he got taken out?

burrito supreme

well personally I've never been for just executing people in other countries without a trial or anything. I think it's a weird area and probably not a good precedent

I mean imagine if another country just started head-shotting people here, and said "hey man, we had good authority that they were thinking about becoming terrorists. also we killed seven other people by accident." not great.

As far as this guy specifically, I'm trying to take in all the opinions from different sides, also trying to consider the possibility that this could be positive

From what I've seen, a lot of people who are happy this guy is dead are from Iraq. It seems like Iran is more like a struggling empire with a lot of influence over countries like Iraq, and they don't like it. Iraq has been ravaged by war, instability, terror, etc for decades. So a lot of them are happy to see someone who is like the face of that, dead.

Also people are treating this like some primal showing of force. Most of the support I see from Americans is that we shocked everyone from how quick and brutal we responded to a basically minor attack. Maybe people will think twice before trying us?

But personally, I really do not think this was a good move.

Pete stzrok went to school in iran
Lisa page moms is an Iranian citizen

The world is not that simple.

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Ah yes why would CBP lie abt this.. lol