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the PMF defeated ISIS, which was trained and supported by Soleimani among others. in 2014 Iran supplied $10 billion worth of weapons and hardware.

Michael Moore has saved us

No that would not be enough, there's plenty of other reasons that show Boris Johnson's bias.

Defending the Ayatollah and his puppets is basically like defending Stallin.

Yes and I've already explained why.

Belqis Roshan, an Afghan MP says she is appalled by some MPs mourning for Soleimani 's death. She blames him for the death of 5500 and disappearance of 1100 Afghans in Iraq & Syria under Fatemiyoun brigades, run by him. She accuses mourning MPs of receiving funds from #Soleimani.

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Stalin>>>Khamenei

Iran isn’t like Bolivia or Nicaragua or something, it’s a state that suppressed the freedoms of its people, and not for the means of socialism either. It is perfectly legitimate to stay neutral, especially seeing as a regime change wouldn’t impoverish the people there (not that I would support an American backed regime change tho)

The American military and American backed Kurd forces killed more isis troops in Syria than the Russian led intervention. The PMF played a large part in defeating isis in Iraq, and they were BACKED by Iran like the Kurds were BACKED by the US. Isis operates in many countries and it took the efforts of many countries to defeat them. To give Soleimani so much credit for defeating them would be an exaggeration

Lol no, socialists should not stay neutral just because there isn't a socialist side to the conflict. And there isn't a socialist revolution on the verge of coming to power in Iran that's being suppressed by the Iranian govt or something, it's a choice between the current govt and a US proxy that will give US corporations access to their oil reserves. Plenty reason to not stay neutral in this one if you're not a supporter of American imperialism.

Yeah

Trump going to be the king of the pirates

Oil production in Iraq has only risen to pre-war levels in recent times, and only has 2 us corporations involved in oil fields. Before the invasion, Saddam even offered the US first rights to any oil to deter them. The Iraq war was a costly mistake that destabilized the region, much like an Iran war would be. But opposition to the Iraq war doesn’t have to equal support for Saddam. Opposition to US intervention in Iran doesn’t have to mean support for Khamenei. That’s what I mean by staying neutral

Where have I said that I'm a supporter of the Iranian govt? Lol

I support their resistance to imperialism, and that's basically where it ends, I'm not a supporter of Shia theocracy

Iranian Parliament looked litty as hell chanting “Death to America”

Damn they really not playing

You said you hope they win, I’m saying whoever wins is irrelevant cause the war shouldn’t happen in the first place, even if the blame should be on America for escaping the conflict. The biggest victims in the war will be from the physical and economic devastation it causes, and not the guys supposedly being impoverished by American corporations dominating the oil fields

Wait do you think that I would rather have a war break out just so Iran can win than there not being a war at all? 💀

No I think you think that if there is a war, there hope Iran wins to stick it to the American imperialists. I’m saying that even if a US proxy is put in place odds are it won’t be worse for the Iranian peoples already trash government. Not that I would want a US proxy, just a non repressive one

Also this is super off topic, but in the anarchism thread, you said that anarchist movements couldn’t withstand the international capitalists. But doesn’t that also apply to communist states because the Soviet Union and attempted socialist countries couldn’t withstand American military spending and pressure

Well we disagree on that, I do think that whatever the US has in mind for Iran will be significantly worse for the Iranian people.

They put up a much better fight than any anarchist movements. I'm not saying that not abandoning the state right after the revolution will guarantee resisting imperialist aggression, but abolishing the state as your first move will surely guarantee failure.

Using Iraq as an example, most hardship stemming from the war is not due to the new government installed by the Americans, but due to the nature of the war itself

Even in Iran, pre revolution wasn’t even a poor country, the shah was unpopular because of what he represented

Well the idea would be that the anarchist movement is exported globally before the opps can get a chance to put it down