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Oh s*** I slept on Rap Money... that album’s crazy

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The description of Muggs' new solo project:

Dies Occidendum is a mythical voyage across fog-laden, scorched earth terrain from the original friar of dark hip hop, DJ Muggs the Black Goat. Known and revered as the sonic mastermind behind both Cypress Hill and his own Soul Assassins imprint, here Muggs sheds the MCs and presents his latest dark-soaked productions as an illuminated manuscript of sorts; a fully immersive, instrumental soundtrack to the mysterious Dies Occidendum. No one wields the Excalibur of sonic darkness quite like Muggs. Combining ingredients of psych rock, gypsy folk with modern elements of trap, forged together under layers of his signature sonic grime, Muggs has created yet another blueprint for the utmost sonic menace and macabre. The Renaissance is upon us. Long live King Muggs.

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Project is very dope. YL is really that dude

Word man. NY don't get too many dudes puttin on for us like that right now but this kid got it.

Oh and anklejohn yeah that voice and the delivery, just horrible.

Thing I feel is this and I know I'm on some hater s*** but f*** it. Dudes like Yl, fly anakin, westside gunn, Roc, KA...they do something fresh. I hear people be saying they make music on some 90s vibe but it ain't like that. They make s*** fresh, it ain't nothing like 90s NY hip-hop, take it from a brother who grew up on that s***, who had his pops blasting smif-n-wessun and Jeru the damaga on the school trips everyday. But then you got some dudes who are either trying way too hard to come off on that 90s throwback vibe or just make flat out lame ass music. And I know y'all think I'm some old head hating but great music ain't limited to an age group. I still play 70s soul like a mutha and I'm an 80s baby. So I still stand by it when I say that the more young heads explore old s*** the more irrelevant some of this anklejohn, al divino nonsense will become. Just speaking my piece young brothers.

Mad guys from NY are killing it tho. Roc, Ka, woods, Elucid, Stove God, Gunn, Conway, Eto, etc. Also, it's interesting you don't rock with Divino and Ankhlejohn like that, considering they're close peers to a lot of the dudes you seem to like. Starker is incredible as well.

And I think you got that last point backwards. Ankh and Divino are both hot right now because of the amount of people tuning in to this scene because of how it's reinventing the 90's sound. Both of these guys are insane.

Also, I'd argue that YL actually isn't doing too much new, and sorta plays it the safest out of all these guys. But I still love his music for his soulful production and laid back/funny bars

You name some good artists there no doubt, but just because an artist from NY doesn’t mean they put on for the city. Them Griselda brothers no doubt but all these other dudes is running a niche, it ain’t no big exposure out here. YL ain’t nobody know him like that and he ain’t from the hood or nothing but he just got that sound. It’s simple and it’s fresh. Ain’t nothing complex but it works for the kid.

Sorry breh but those songs are garbage. Ain’t no peoples who came up on 90s hip-hop going to mess with that nonsense. It’s just horrible. If people feel it well that’s on them but if you listen to f***in al Divino and s*** and also 90s hip-hop I guarantee that you didn’t listen to 90s hip-hop in real time and the harder you go with it the less you gonna listen to these kind of weak rappers.

I thought 90s R&B was the s*** but when a brother started checking 70s soul and funk and s*** then suddenly it made me reevaluate. I still f***s with 90s R&B heavy that’s my heart but it refined my taste you know. That’s how I feel about these bandcamp rappers. Some are bringing it no doubt but most will get forgotten when you zoom and see bigger pictures. It ain’t no hate, I’m just saying listen to the BCC catalogue instead of the anklejohn catalogue and you’ll be glad you did. Don’t get me twisted I’m speak in general here. Maybe you heard all the bcc albums so then check all the def squad s*** or something. Maybe you still prefer anklejohn but I doubt that’s going to happen.

Look I guess what I’m trying to say is this. People who think this s*** is a throwback to 90s east coast hip-hop are people who didn’t grow up during that era so therefore you got this diluted and distorted view that somehow this s*** is all on the same vibe. It’s not. Not even close.

The world is different, the internet exists etc. But socially s*** was different. Our culture back then was fiercely conservative, it was militant, it didn’t matter if an artist when platinum or independent you ain’t had to pay big money to hear it but you did have to be around it to know and hear it.

It’s not the same as internet rappers selling albums for $100 trying to replicate the sounds of Premo, Diamond D or Rza. It’s way broader and it ain’t replicated. I’m telling you now that if I play al Divino or anklejohn or Mach Hommy to my peoples they wouldn’t acknowledge it. And that’s no hate. S*** they may not be feeling yl and roc Marciano too.

That first point is fair. And concerning YL, what is he doing that’s “fresh”? As I said, I love his music, but he’s not pushing any boundaries, (and definitely none like Divino, for example lol.)

That’s cool for you to have those opinions, and it’s right of you to admit that 90’s dudes are probably stuck in the past or discrediting some of the work that’s being done today. And yeah—I def concede you might be right that I’m conflating 90’s hip hop with this current sound; but honestly that’s a testament to how far the genre has progressed. Dudes like Roc, Ka, and even Gunn have pushed the s*** so far, and even the offspring of these guys are making dope music. Just my 2 cents.

And I’m not making claims about the legacy of these dudes. I’m just saying they make some dope music that I and a lot of others (young and old) really mess with. But I get where you’re coming from.

Again—I definitely admit that I’m prolly misinterpreting the 90s sound.

I mean if you’re gonna mention how the culture is different now because of internet commerce, that’s great. However, I’d argue it’s a good thing that underground artists have the power to charge what they want—it’s a win win, because there are plenty of fans who will buy a Mach record for $111.11+, or a Divino record for a comparable price, etc. And what’s best—you don’t have to support it. You’re allowed to like or scoff at whatever you like, no love lost.

That’s cool that your fellow old head friends wouldn’t like these new dudes. That’s not really revolutionary news to me. And there’s no point in arguing the quality of music if you just don’t like it, you feel me? It’s all cool

The album cover is sick but I’m not excited about the “modern elements of trap”.

Muggs’ album with Hologram is coming out soon, too, for those interested (I still haven’t forgiven him for that terrible verse on “Thousand Shot MAC”, personally).

Ok I see there are things we agree and things we disagree so I won’t get into no back and forth about them. Except one thing I stand by is the pricing. You say it’s win win but that right there is a problem. Whether people download it or not the point is the initial price alienates the culture. I’m telling you now ain’t no dudes supporting that s*** who from the place I’m from. What you got is white dudes outside the culture making “hip-hop” and selling it to people outside the culture. It ain’t for the culture. And even the people’s like Mach who from the culture fetishizing this s*** to exclude the culture itself. Sorry but ain’t nothing going to change my opinions on that. Pricing music like that is their choice but supporting that music for most people is not a choice. For you it might be, maybe you have that privilege. For peoples where I’m from $10 for a tape was a luxury. $5 for a mixtape was a luxury. $100 for a download isn’t even relevant.

I don’t disagree that that pricing is alienating. And I think it’s only changing the culture in a small sense. These guys who charge $100+ are few and far between, tbh, but more guys are doing it, following in Mach’s footsteps. But still, it’s only a small handful. Also, it’s not really that alienating because you can still get free downloads very easily if you know where to look. You think ALL these fans are really copping for that much? I personally haven’t spent more than $40 on music, and that was for Roc’s latest project (which kinda disappointed me tbh).

But I hear you that it’s exclusionary. But these guys have that air of “it’s art, not rap” around themselves and their releases (which I think is stupid as s***), which they use to justify the pricing. Still, you can get any of this ‘overpriced’ music as easily as you can make a Google search.