100%, and most rappers these days are terrible artist, and passable rappers most of the time.

Astroworld out now man

Also birds is an INCREDIBLE pop rap album

sicko mode merchant

nah they think as long as the production is good and Travis keeps a consistent vibe throughout the project it makes him an album artist

surprised they don’t call Carti an album artist

They can’t vibe with the ultra-quotable lyrics, wildly entertaining delivery, pristine production, attentively crafted masterpiece that is Yeezus..

There’s 16 other songs on that album

I hate that s*** so much

@op manipulated KTT into a hit thread

Congrats

It's pretty fair to say that Travis is an album artist, that's actually one of his strongpoints

He's never been the type to just throw random songs on an album with no cohesion like Views and TLOP

And then you have those special guys like Ghostface Killah, who fully respects rapping as an art form, and fully understands what "rapping" is. Therefore, he's able to bend the genre at will, without ever taking it fully left field, everything Ghostface does is 101% Hip Hop

but only one song the average person can name + one song that was carrying all of its streams past a certain point. and its not like that one song was a travis solo cut

maybe throw cant say in there as a cult favorite that helped blow don toliver up

not saying sales are everything but if we want to talk about an album being a "classic" I think impact on the public matters

he’s crazy travis is in that conversation for sure.

…whether he’s a leader in that conversation is a different story

Oh from that perspective yeah I agree

I dont think TLOP has "no cohesion" though I think the problem with TLOP is that it precipitated kanye genuinely losing his focus and mind so people just lump it in with the lazy bullshit we got after it

Kanye is highly overrated, in many ways

Yeah ok I agree that if we say album artist = being intentional and thoughtful about your albums then travis is an album artist

Can we just make this a hot take thread

Every time Tyler has spoken on the state of the industry he’s been right

super dumb s***

they’ll throw rapping under the bus to prop up their fav at a moment’s notice like rapping isn’t an art lol

it’s cool if it was just contained to comparisons for music but they usually do it in the context of who’s better overall

Utopia better than astroworld even if a lot of the bars are absolute dogshit

TLOP has a lot going on

Compared to albums like Yeezus or 808s that have one singular sound pretty much throughout

the focus of tlop is that it’s his autobiographical statement. it’s basically his own self titled

They're musicians but some are better at being musicians than others

This has been true in hip hop forever, same with all genres. The disparity has always been bigger in hip hop

Same with Doom