It's my least fav on the Blueprint bc the beat doesn't fit sonically with those soulful beats

To me it's not a skip because they both went in but honestly I find it jarring yeah

Was originally gonna be for Royce album on Columbia but he could only have one Em feature according to the label so he decided not to use Renegade. And Jay wanted a song with Em and Em asked Royce if he could give it to Jay and Jay wanted it but wanted to take Royce verse off which Royce had no problem with. So Em gave it to Jay and Jay recorded a verse after Em. And left Ems unchanged.

How well do you think Eminem's content has aged though (in general)? Compared to other elite rappers he's definitely lacking in that regard.

So you didn't re-read his verse? cool.

He's a do-gooder, too bad he couldn't do good as a poster

djbooth.net/features/2016-04-19-eminem-jay-z-renegade-history

If Sales had merit, than Will Smith is top 5 oat

In general? I appreciate the details more than the gestalt. There are lots of great interlocking parts (rhyme scheme, alliteration, consonance), but the content doesn't resonate with me at all. And honestly how it's delivered has become almost worse than the content itself because his delivery has gotten so loud and choppy.

he is not?

How so? Due to Nas “bad ear” or something else?

His line on Ether has created and popularized the term.

Cuz nas rapped
"and eminem killed you on your own s***"

After that people started debating whether it's true or not

Every other collab has its in the moment discussion that fades out over time, the term renegade also wouldn't exist if nas didn't diss jay like that

This is what ppl like Rivers Cuomo and Kendrick have said about Eminem. They appreciate his "technicality" but no one ever says they like the content.

Also when Eminem himself talks about hip hop he only keeps it about the rhyme schemes.

Plus his influences like AZ, Redman, Masta Ace and Pharoahe Monch don't get studied as much bc they weren't as popular

This some weird ass revisionist s***

And people overlook the fact that line is provocative BECAUSE it's Eminem

Imagine if he said "Biggie killed you own your own s***", "DMX killed you on your own s***" or "Pimp C killed you on your own s***", it would be like uh yeah they did but so what

Because it happened to be the polarizing white boy that line resulted in a moment

No

Makes sense, totally forgot about ether. Thanks

Yes. Nas never coined the term renegade as you are suggesting. Pretty daft thing to even imply

Him saying Jay got washed wasn't an opinion that he shared alone.

"Nas never coined the term renegade as you are suggesting"

Prove it, liar!

Then who did? 💀

Who made it popular?

Do you have proof he didn't?

Eminem was a 30 year old man who made edgy music for kids to rage and be mean to their parents to

People forget this was the CD/Napster era. Not a substantial amount of people who bought the album back then made the distinction that Em rapped better than Jay until Ether and moreso until file sharing software being the norm made albums accessible to the masses