murakamichain

3y

that’s not how it works anymore because they have no direct predecessors

Outside of maybe Kanye for drake and maybe 3 stacks/Em for Kendrick, Cole Kendrick and drake didn’t really have any direct predecessors either lol

murakamichain

3y

yeah it is

if anything it’s weird to say being glad that bullshit music is being purged from the genre by way of post 2016 casuals getting bored with it is “celebrating hip hop dying”. OPs whole point is being glad that we’re probably finna go into a renaissance where people start trying more different s*** now that something that sounds like XO tour life or Yeat or Carti just probably isn’t finna be that type of success again lol

BLACK

3y

most these dudes just waiting for some super popping rapper that everyone agrees is dope to blow up so they can say he's saving rap or they've been day 1 fans but everytime that happens they have no staying power and people switch up and start saying rap is dead

scurry

3y

This topic needs a megathread at this point

scurry

3y

This topic needs a megathread at this point

scurry

3y

This topic needs a megathread at this point

Worthit44

3y

The whole current young scene of hiphop is influenced by those three lol

deleteduser579

3y

like who?

Worthit44

3y

*whole

deleteduser579

3y

who are the direct predecessors of them besides the obvious like Keem and J.I.D?

Lystra

3y

facts drake is the best example imo. dude is unironically a gangster now and probably is responsible for deaths among other bad things

but the thing is like street rap is a gift an a curse. it pulls people outta the hood but also pushes the culture in a worse and worse direction. tbh idk whether its good or bad cus i also do think music is only a part of the issue not rly the source

also like u said, it feels like we're swinging towards a right wing upswing, which has a ton of people who think black people should conform to certain aspects of white america including complete abandonment of street culture. it feels like you have people pushing the culture in a worse direction in an act of rebellion but the effect is people just disconnect and now things are worse cus none of the systemic problems are being addressed and people are less tolerant/more racist towards black ppl

Worthit44

3y

I would argue every major hiphop artist under 30 is influenced by those three.

Thats the point. You don't need to look, cause those three's music reached such a wide array of young people.

Just read interviews by young
Hiphop artists. All of them come up.

deleteduser579

3y

so you can’t give any names lmao, got it

CloudyDreams

3y

The new gen sucks though

gnarlynasty

3y

A street rapper was always a gatekeeper of sorts. They told it like it was,they reported on ghetto life and kept gimmicks and outsiders from feeling like they could ever get comfortable or close to being street. Of course,Drake basically killed this idea when he became affiliated with J.Prince/Rap-A-Lot,and things have been going downhill ever since.

A street rapper had its place the same way a pop rapper like prime Kanye had his place,two different sides of the industry. Now,street rap is pretty much just exploitation at this point,and parody. Drake being able to get away with his shtick for this long,simply means street rap is dead.

Just cause people still bump rap in the hood doesn't mean a thing. What it meant to be a street rapper is dead,its a parody at this point,and just another piece to why Hip Hop as whole is everything but buried.

fwt 2

3y

what

Skinn Foley

3y

Alright fr man I'll answer this soberly because the "hip hop is dead" discourse here is just grating at this point and tiresome, but you bring up good points in the OP. Sorry for the attitude, but it's just very annoying seeing people crapping on a genre I love all the time.

You need to stop caring about whether or not hip hop is driving the zeitgeist culturally. We don't need a resurgence of memes that try to resurrect the bygone era of hip hop being a commercially dominant form of music that has nearly flawless integrity at the highest commercial levels. These memes in fact never really cared about "the culture" but in its waning commercial integrity and increased commodification.

Short of an economic revolution, the best thing that could happen to hip hop aside from a creative renaissance in the mainstream is to see it lose steam as a mainstream commodity. Once it becomes less profitable to make, the incentive to exploit the genre for profit will evaporate with it because the potential to do so will be greatly diminished. We will, as what happened with rock, enter a brief creative slump for the genre even worse than we have now, and then see it a few years later rise again as an independent art form with less money in it but more creative integrity and perhaps even diversity. This is again something we've witnessed with rock music.

These things happen in cycles and there's no real panic necessary. If jazz has managed to pull through after all these years even in a diminished capacity, hip hop will be fine. Hopefully a creative renaissance happens for the genre before it inevitably wanes as a popular commodity, but right now we're seeing with hip hop what we witnessed with rock in the 2000s: its commodified apex marked by a massive slowdown in innovation and dip in quality, which by the late 2000s was eventually met with the genre's fall from dominance as a commercial art form. Hyperpop or something similar is likely to take rap's place at the top, or honestly country at the rate we're going especially if a Republican president wins.

Y'all gonna laugh at me for typing too much anyway, I can't win and don't care to, but yeah, relax.

DoubleO 5

3y

i actually agree with everything you said, i WANT a renaissance and that means hip hop, the culture and these platforms may have to fall off because you can’t get back up better without falling down

What’s funny though is hip hop is the one genre that has actively crossed over to so many other genres that i don’t think it’ll go down like rock did but like you said as a popular commodity it makes sense

deleteduser579

3y

you guys stanned literally some of the worst artists this genre had to offer, helped kill it off, and now you’re sitting here complaining about niggas making threads trying to find optimism in the genre going on the decline

deleteduser579

3y

you guys stanned literally some of the worst artists this genre had to offer, helped kill it off, and now you’re sitting here complaining about niggas making threads trying to find optimism in the genre going on the decline

RASIE

3y

"young true creatives like XXXtentacion (the most polarizing since kanye/pac)"

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3y

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