Lots of temporarily embarassed millionaires ITT

Thread title way harder than the actual post

Capitalism relies on the supposition that the resources to maintain it are infinite when we in fact live in a world with finite resources

The battle for who gets these resources as you all know is exemplified by the wars in the middle east and the US toppling regimes across the world to install pro US trade regimes

idk how closely you follow what’s going on out there but there are “radicals” on twitter advocating for the complete abolition of police and prisons to the point that they say literally not one person should ever be arrested or jailed because if we cultivate our communities better there will be zero crime (mental). There are people like noname advocating going back to a BARTER economy and commune style communism - do you understand what a disaster this would be for 100% of America

Defunding health care and education are directly opposed to what I stand for but my whole point is that it feels rn that the public and the elite and corporations and politicians in charge are more scared of and wanting to appease the extreme left to “virtue signal” (sorry to use that term)

I do hear what you’re saying though maybe I am misspeaking a little bit

I think it involves raising future generations to value themselves with all their strengths n weaknesses. prioritizing the development of their passions and skillset over getting in to a "good career/program to study". Then they'll learn how to monetize their skills and support themselves. Also, better education for low income people. idk if thats the cure but I think its a start

this a sick plan (kinda crazy lol) my only concern is with a bunch of people living together there's bound to be conflict over "the leader". the person who makes/enforces all the rules. How would that work out?

those views represent a SUBSTANTIALLY small portion of the country (0.1% or lower). why would America go to such extremes like completely abolishing the police/prisons in order to appease such a tiny minority? as for corporations "virtue signalling" the left in moderate ways like Nascar banning the Confederate flag, Nike banning redskin merch, PayPal donating to black businesses, etc. I see nothing wrong with that and think it's a good thing in order to move society forward, far better than the alternative if companies started appeasing the far right.

this is a common argument conservatives use to fear monger: "the LEFT wants to ABOLISH all private property" and then they use anecdotal outliers from a random Twitter zoomer to drive home their point.

Twitter users are not representative of the real world.

Capitalism relies on the supposition that the resources to maintain it are infinite when we in fact live in a world with finite resources

Only in the world we currently live in. What about the other worlds we don't know yet? What about what's "out there"? I'm talking about space exploration and discovering other habitable planets.

Now I understand these things take time. But they also take ambition, risk. The elements that are pushed by the capitalistic ideals that we hold on to. Not all of these ideals work, as I stated earlier.

As much as we can dog on capitalism, it pushes us to innovate and extend beyond our limits. Who knows what we would know in 25 years time? Knowledge is infinite; the more we'll know then, the more resources we can gather.

Thought long and hard about it, there will be no leaders.

We currently vote for who we want to control us, it's an illusion of democracy. I say we simply build a true democracy by allowing citizens to vote directly on all issues. The citizens will be their own leaders.

Hopefully both libertarians and communists and everyone in between will fight together to defend each other against malicious individuals attempting to gain control of democratic communities.

Let's spend tax revenue taking care of our own people before we start blowing up asteroids next.

It really is the whole reason Trump created the space force though, he knows the Earth's running out of resources.

You make valid points and I hope that the people who hold those views ARE a small minority that mainly exists on twitter and I hope that kind of ideology doesn’t spread and take off - maybe I’m more scared of it than I should be

As for nascar Nike and PayPal and those types of things I absolutely agree those are all positive things for real that’s not the kind of virtue signalling I mean

Anyway thanks for actually using your brain to discuss unlike op

It's a double edged sword really. Without a back up plan, we might implode as a species. So yeah I can see where you're coming from. There's a whole lot we need to fix in this lifetime on our planet. If our plans go to s***, well, there's always somewhere else to land. I'm guessing that's the general idea

Think about the billions of people living in poverty who will never get a proper education. Wouldn't modern science be much better off if we were able to give a proper education and lifestyle to all the people still living like its the Middle Ages? More educated people = much more scientists and innovative thinkers who could help us solve the impending doom our planet faces.

The idea that Capitalism is the main fuel behind innovation is a myth. Was Capitalism around during the Scientific revolution? Was Nikola Tesla motivated by money? Nah.

Yes people “survived” in the past with a much worse quality of life and a far lower life expectancy. People often forget how terrible the past was when compared the modern era. It’s incredibly ignorant to try to boil down human advancement as “responsible for killing our planet and our people” when the average life expectancy in the 1700s was around 35 years old. Technological progress and free market globalization objectively helped humanity in countless ways

You really seem optimistic that humans will be able to survive on Mars on something

I think Tesla was motivated by money, but lets for argument sake assume he wasn't. How do you manage to acquire all the tools necessary to conduct such experiments in a non capitalist society? You'd have to have such a surplus of goods that you're willing to give away valuable metals and tools to teenagers and young adults to f*** with, potentially killing them in the process.

Do you honestly think any communist system would have allowed Tesla conduct his research? Tesla was able to do so much research because he worked his ass off and used the profits of his manual labour to invest in materials that he then sold for a profit, and used said profit to scale up both his businesses and his research.

I've seen government labs, hell even the Russians did great things with a socialized science industry, they always have a goal in mind and do not fund anything that doesn't meet their goal. It's hard to do it any other way without getting ripped off by a******s pretending to do research.

The free market is the best mechanism we have to distinguish legitimately useful research and production, without it you're trusting a limited amount of individuals to basically predict the future, and if they fail to, millions will die due to the lack of potential innovations that could made their deaths preventable.

I feel like it'll be a slow process if every single member has an issue and every single member is voting on all of them. but I can see or hope for an efficient democratic process being implemented in the future. also u mentioned Lake Ontario so I assume ur a fellow canadian. big ups to for that and good luck fr

Knew this cliched argument was coming.

Medicinal advances couldn't exist under socialism? Why? Because they have before.

The profit motive of the health care industry doesn't help create better health products, common decency and federal funding should didctate that. Cuba has the best doctors in the world, it's one of their main exports even.

And where's the major benefit gained by globalization? Many conservatives don't even believe in "free market" globalism because it outsources labor to the cheapest bidder.

Most people who were born into this system so they think it's all that can exist because it's all they've ever known.

American life expectancy has gone DOWN recently, wonder why

Idk if Tesla was driven by ambition alone, so I'll not answer that part. All I'll say is, in my opinion, capitalism has been one of the main drivers of improvements in our society for the better part of the 20th and 21st century. It's easy to overlook how far we've come now if we look at only the downsides like economic inequality and disparities in wealth and education.

My suggestion is that we take ideas from other models of socialism that advocate for easier access to education etc minus the state ownership of all property and abolishment of the private sector. But to do away with capitalism completely is something that I do not see feasible, given that people are....well, people...

Eh, yearly votes, ~100 issues a year, most people will be encouraged to read them all but to vote "no opinion" if they don't care. All in person votes, all less than 200 ppl each all sitting in an auditorium, elected announcer reads the vote, everyone holds up either white or black, everyone brings their own camera and gets to record the room, everyone tallys up the votes at the end of the day and compared numbers, vote results announced 2 days after voting day starts with all camera footaged released publicly and archived for people to verify.

But yea it'll take some thought and experience to get it right, it really doesn't have to be that hard.

Also nice to see another Canadian on here, if this actually works you should check the place out once it starts getting going. Should be based somewhere between Stoney Creek and Kingston, probably near Hamilton depending on where I can get away with anchoring, might just move back and forth constantly we'll see.

Popo don't like sketch s*** near the cities but like 10 mins east of stoney creek is empty so no one gives a f***.

Who knows when it might happen. Thing is, it's always good to be optimistic and realistic. Might not be now, probably a couple of hiccups on the way. Maybe my great grandkids will be the ones to see it happen, but hopefully it does happen

This nigga synop be trying so hard to be the malcom x of ktt and I have no idea why

The death knells of capitalism, we are in the last inning. Close up the McMansion’s. Let the plants grow over them & crumble them what a utter waste when we could have been building Something to benefit our planet. If you don’t have a family of giants, you can’t live in a McMansion.

No sympathy for anyone continuing these massive consuming dwelling’s. Bottled water companies can only exist if they are nonprofit. No more profiting off the basic necessities of survival: food water shelter. 😎