pigeonsandplanes.com/read/whitewashing-indie-sleaze

Was listening to K+ again 3 weeks ago - kilo got dealt such a s***ty hand. Kinda like what niggas on KTT 1 thought was happening to Kacy Hill

Contemporary “indie sleaze” is, in my opinion, delineated from the 2022 resurgence of crystal castles which was originally a weird, niche, overly white corner of the scene

The historical revisionism continued from there

As always, Black people did it already. And did it better.

Exactly this! Maps getting a Tik tok dance challenge is when it really broke containment

damn nigga getting old man lol

pigeons and planes article like its 2015

Goldmine man..immaculate bop

Miss the blog era in general. A tape having names like Gambino, Earl, Vince, s*** was just another day in the office. We didn’t know how good we had it

Pigsandplans shark hella niggas content on Twitter and pass it off as theirs, so I’m not exactly riding for em, but I rather have dudes who were covering music close to that time making a piece like this. Some 20 year old nigga with an archive ig larping like they were there ain’t worthwhile material

That’s essentially what the musical equivalent of this genre has been

I feel like the fashion/cultural revival has stemmed from much larger and mainstream aims

Imagine being a crystal castles and seeing all of these acts multiples bigger than you

I’d argue Hellp, Snow Strippers, obv 2hollis, all pretty demonstrably bigger. Bassvictim, frost children, Suzy sheets they may be up next

I think the aesthetic of the scene is heavily inspired by WLR Carti and Yeezus Ye with its industrial-punk, tight denim and leather, obsession with “raving,” etc.

MGMT, Crystal Castles, Com Truise, etc. being the audio blueprint for all the alt right s*** of the COVID/Trump 2.0 era doesn’t help things

I think people wrote off alt right being as internet in tuned as they were in the early 00s, but that s*** has really paid off divs for them in cultivating internet prominence

It’s unfortunate they’ve done such a good job of rebranding what were pretty lefty associated acts and concepts (read: “based”)

@proper do you accept that aziz ansari is indie sleaze now

tbh i always associated it with like the strokes and pete doherty and stuff not electronic music

@grimes

shoutout kilo kish a true visionary