Corporate Mór

1y

This only works for music people do like

Show me a song that sounds like you're supposed to like it which is not popular

Cody

1y

he really needs to let someone else produce for him just once

cryforhell

1y

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So I’ve listened to all of Tyler’s consensus best material and imo he’s one of the most overrated rappers out rn. This thread is made because I genuinely want to understand what makes him a great artist to those that enjoy him

He’s literally one of the only artist I’ve ever seen that has been largely carried by their relationships within the industry and how they’re perceived by their peers as well as having a very dedicated fanbase yet no amazing records or universal hits to really show for it. Like logically he’s the natural successor of the lineage of Ye, Pharrell, etc. but it’s not translating the way it should be, like at all. To make matters worse it’s not like his sound needs to grow on you either it’s pretty standard alt-rap

His production is good despite it being imitative but he is just not a good composer and has an issue with being over-ambitious with a clear reluctancy to cutting out the excess fat. Almost every song on Chromakopia is a chore to get through and fits better in context of the album than as individual singles because of how over the top they are. Like Sticky is such a lay up of a hit but it’s just too busy of a f***ing song to listen to on a regular basis

Also, I don’t think him self-producing most of his albums is as a good of a thing as he gets credited for. You can’t make MBDTF or TPAB by self-producing everything. At some point the sound becomes trite and outsourcing to better or other creative minds is a good thing and a fresher take on your artistry

He has a great rapping voice and is a pretty solid rapper but when he tries to switch it up and sing he’s been reliant on the crutch of pitching up his vocals since Flower Boy instead of just taking singing lessons at this point. It’s jarring as f*** to hear that every time he tries to hit notes, I’d rather he use different vocal effects to make it sound less grating

Realistically most users on this site should be a fan of his or at least feel positively about his music but he occupies this awkward space of being too weird for the casuals and not good enough to satisfy the high-brows. He doesn’t have a plethora of hit songs or classic rap albums that are universally appraised or songs that stick on the charts that justify the praise either. Kanye is basically his predecessor and even though he’s generally seen as an artist whose fans are mostly on the “artsy/nerdy” side, he has hits and projects that transcend his demographic. I can bet that most old heads know a Travis Scott song or two and casuals love his albums so there’s no reason why Tyler’s music shouldn’t have a similar affect to some degree

I do think he has the makings of a great artist but he’s put on an extremely high pedestal that I don’t think he’s deserving of

EDIT: Quite a number of folks ITT are misconstruing what I meant by “carried” by other artists, so I’ll add my response here:

He didn’t make it this far by piggybacking off of his relationships, he did it off his own merit. Despite this, his relationships to respected artists has embellished his career without a doubt. Be it OF producing Earl, Frank, The Internet, Steve Lacy + more or his proximity to Pharrell, Rocky, Mac Miller, Solange, etc. all of these connects have benefited his career through osmosis because it feels like he SHOULD be amongst the biggest in the game even if the music hasn’t quite reached the level of those that are from a cultural standpoint. I mean, his friends are universally loved so why wouldn’t he be?

Not only that but his devout fanbase is probably a melting pot of his own fans, remnants of OF’s fanbase and fans of these other artists that adore him

Smacked Voodoo

1y

Lotta these new female singers owe a lot to Corrine Bailey Rae and Goapele

insertcoolnamehere

1y

It’s just too many good female vocalists in R&B.

for every durand bernarr

there’s a cleo sol, cherise, and liv.e (she remind me a lil bit of badu)

Cody

1y

he really needs to let someone else produce for him just once

TheFader

1y

We always talking bout mainstream rap being dead in the water, it’s been time we have that conversation about mainstream R&B

That s*** been on life support for 10 years at this point

TheFader

1y

We always talking bout mainstream rap being dead in the water, it’s been time we have that conversation about mainstream R&B

That s*** been on life support for 10 years at this point

1996 BRL

1y

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I aint subbing dude
Just looking back at that some of that list of current r&b esque artists and some of them reminding me why I hate COLORS/Tiny Desk-core music

F**k tom misch, Jordan rakei, mahalia, h.e.r., yussef dayes, CoZ, Inflo, jungle & any act that puts live instrumentation over great ideas

F**k any musician who listened to D'Angelo & Lauryn Hill a couple times & decided to contribute to the milquetoast bedroom-pup bootleg- neo-soul sound that's been going on for the past 10 years

F**k south london r&b, f**k Res for making this sound 23 years ago before all these clowns tried it (but at least she did it first & did it well)

F**k Gilles Peterson's current audience & any R&B act whose main audience is white women with a lauryn hill bedroom poster or 'vibes' playlist

JeffersonSteelflex

1y

He needs to produce for other artists highkey. Imagine an R&B singer over his prod.

earthwalka

1y

Tryna wrap my mind around this statement

TheFader

1y

We always talking bout mainstream rap being dead in the water, it’s been time we have that conversation about mainstream R&B

That s*** been on life support for 10 years at this point

Smacked Voodoo

1y

S*** been hot garbage. Anytime I see mfs singing praise for PartyNextDoor I cringe.

TheFader

1y

But I like PARTYNEXTDOOR

JeffersonSteelflex

1y

He needs to produce for other artists highkey. Imagine an R&B singer over his prod.

Cody

1y

no thanks

Notmyfirst

1y

idk how sza and him havent linked again

JeffersonSteelflex

1y

you think eminem is a GOAT. I don’t give a f*** what you think