i am fairly fine how its ran over here outside couple things mainly big corps should get taxed way more, money should stay out politics, fair mainstream media and more focus on environment but i feel system is pretty decent (compared to america's)
Market logic is not shallow or amoral. You canât place moral on how you think other people ought to willingly interact with each other unless itâs in violation of the other persons rights. A capitalist system has it flaws, but in no way compares to fundamental flaw of socialism which is force and the removal of choice.
When people talk about a free market with no government regulations I can't help but think of those street markets in 3rd world countries where everyone and their family is selling some type of food or ware.
Like, if you want everyone to be selling dirty street pollution food that is sure to make non natives terribly ill for the love of your money, just go move there and start your business
Would less regulations mean that electricians wouldn't have to be certified in order to legally work on residential wiring?
Like, yeah quality work will always be at the forefront and most well known, but that just means they have leverage on the prices they can charge consumers. And since profits always have to reach new peaks, this will eventually lead to price hikes or shady business practices.
I cannot trust people hungry for a bag
Ancaps are just fascists who haven't found a strongman to rally around
they are not legitimate anarchists and never will be; nor will they ever be taken seriously
P much lol
Compass is garbage I'm much more free market supportive than socialist
prob only did that because I put protectionism is needed sometimes and monopolies/environment regs are required
Ancaps are just fascists who haven't found a strongman to rally around
they are not legitimate anarchists and never will be; nor will they ever be taken seriously
That doesn't make any sense
How doesn't it
Aren't they strongly similar to libertarians? In what way would they end up supporting a fascist/centralized authority?
correct me if I'm wrong that they are similar to libertarians
Aren't they strongly similar to libertarians? In what way would they end up supporting a fascist/centralized authority?
correct me if I'm wrong that they are similar to libertarians
Libertarians today are essentially anarcho capitalists.
Or you just have the weirdo gun nuts who post libertarian rhetoric but bow down to trump and the police state
Libertarians today are essentially anarcho capitalists.
Or you just have the weirdo gun nuts who post libertarian rhetoric but bow down to trump and the police state
I didn't know what an ancap was until recently tbh
Just from what I've seen they push free market and no/little state, so I didn't get how it would give way to fascism because (gov) power is inherently decentralized.
When people talk about a free market with no government regulations I can't help but think of those street markets in 3rd world countries where everyone and their family is selling some type of food or ware.
Like, if you want everyone to be selling dirty street pollution food that is sure to make non natives terribly ill for the love of your money, just go move there and start your business
Would less regulations mean that electricians wouldn't have to be certified in order to legally work on residential wiring?
Like, yeah quality work will always be at the forefront and most well known, but that just means they have leverage on the prices they can charge consumers. And since profits always have to reach new peaks, this will eventually lead to price hikes or shady business practices.
I cannot trust people hungry for a bag
Well I donât advocate for a market completely free of regulation so I donât know where you got that idea. Iâd argue that finding such people is pretty damn rare.
But as for that electrician example, relying solely on licensed credentials to decide who you pay for a service is just about one of the dumbest things a person could do.
And no, smaller government regulation in many cases would actually increase competition. Who do you think benefits from a higher govt mandated minimum wage? The bigger corporations. More regulations often just price out entry into the market by smaller companies and in effect destroys competition
Aren't they strongly similar to libertarians? In what way would they end up supporting a fascist/centralized authority?
correct me if I'm wrong that they are similar to libertarians
Underlying the thought of far right libertarianism is the notion that those who aren't fit for a "free" capitalist society will simply shrivel up and blow away. The losers in economic competition will somehow cease to exist. Otherwise you would clearly need an enormous police state to protect the "winners" which isn't how they imagine their utopia.
It's just a short step from there to "And therefore we may as well get rid of them ourselves." And of course they always held a radicalised notion of who would and would not succeed in their libertarian paradise.
Well I donât advocate for a market completely free of regulation so I donât know where you got that idea. Iâd argue that finding such people is pretty damn rare.
But as for that electrician example, relying solely on licensed credentials to decide who you pay for a service is just about one of the dumbest things a person could do.
And no, smaller government regulation in many cases would actually increase competition. Who do you think benefits from a higher govt mandated minimum wage? The bigger corporations. More regulations often just price out entry into the market by smaller companies and in effect destroys competition
Last part is very true. I think the real answer is a healthy mixture of both our ideas.
It really just comes down to if we can trust people in power, which at the current time is a big no.
Also why is looking for licensed employees dumb?
Are you saying someone unlicensed can do the job just as well or something?
Underlying the thought of far right libertarianism is the notion that those who aren't fit for a "free" capitalist society will simply shrivel up and blow away. The losers in economic competition will somehow cease to exist. Otherwise you would clearly need an enormous police state to protect the "winners" which isn't how they imagine their utopia.
It's just a short step from there to "And therefore we may as well get rid of them ourselves." And of course they always held a radicalised notion of who would and would not succeed in their libertarian paradise.
This has so many oxymorons in it that itâs incredible. It truly takes an intellectual titan to misconstrue libertarianism the way you just did
Underlying the thought of far right libertarianism is the notion that those who aren't fit for a "free" capitalist society will simply shrivel up and blow away. The losers in economic competition will somehow cease to exist. Otherwise you would clearly need an enormous police state to protect the "winners" which isn't how they imagine their utopia.
It's just a short step from there to "And therefore we may as well get rid of them ourselves." And of course they always held a radicalised notion of who would and would not succeed in their libertarian paradise.
Going off your description, I would not assume the police state would be necessary or 'getting' rid of the 'unfit'/w.e
Seems like you'd just end up with a caste system and/or feudalistic system. The outsiders would just end up in poverty and little ability to mobilize or do anything. Just given the libertarian like ideology, I don't picture them rallying around a single authority to be categorized as fascist. S*** system regardless giving faith to your description though, but I'm not an expert anyway.
Going off your description, I would not assume the police state would be necessary or 'getting' rid of the 'unfit'/w.e
Seems like you'd just end up with a caste system and/or feudalistic system. The outsiders would just end up in poverty and little ability to mobilize or do anything. Just given the libertarian like ideology, I don't picture them rallying around a single authority to be categorized as fascist. S*** system regardless giving faith to your description though, but I'm not an expert anyway.
They turn into fascists the moment they realise that their Social-Darwinist utopia needs to be violently protected from organised movements of people who oppose Social Darwinism
but yes any Ancap society would likely dissolve into some form of Neo-feudalism
Last part is very true. I think the real answer is a healthy mixture of both our ideas.
It really just comes down to if we can trust people in power, which at the current time is a big no.
Also why is looking for licensed employees dumb?
Are you saying someone unlicensed can do the job just as well or something?
I donât think we can ever trust people in power and history supports that which is why I donât understand how anyone can advocate bigger government. To me itâs not simply a matter of âat this timeâ. It is a constant truth that âPower tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutelyâ.
And as I said ârelying solelyâ on licensing is whatâs dumb. I donât know many people who open a yellow book and point a finger at a random licensed worker to hire. Markets rely on credibility which puts the onus onto the seller to prove that they are worth our money. And yes in many cases an unlicensed person could do just as great as a job than a licensed person. Think about driving for example, does everyone with a drivers license have the same level of driving prowess? Absolutely not. I can go to Ghana(my home country) right now and find a sample of drivers with no license who have been driving for 30+ years who are much better drivers than some 16 year old who just got their license.
Point being that experience and knowledge is a much better indicator of prowess than licensing
They turn into fascists the moment they realise that their Social-Darwinist utopia needs to be violently protected from organised movements of people who oppose Social Darwinism
but yes any Ancap society would likely dissolve into some form of Neo-feudalism
Again keeping with my view that it turns feudalistic, history shows various times those systems came to an end due to external forces/wars. Rarely were citizens that much of a threat for full fascism to be necessary. I don't think you'd have the nationalistic ideals among people for it take hold in a libertarian society either.
I donât think we can ever trust people in power and history supports that which is why I donât understand how anyone can advocate bigger government. To me itâs not simply a matter of âat this timeâ. It is a constant truth that âPower tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutelyâ.
And as I said ârelying solelyâ on licensing is whatâs dumb. I donât know many people who open a yellow book and point a finger at a random licensed worker to hire. Markets rely on credibility which puts the onus onto the seller to prove that they are worth our money. And yes in many cases an unlicensed person could do just as great as a job than a licensed person. Think about driving for example, does everyone with a drivers license have the same level of driving prowess? Absolutely not. I can go to Ghana(my home country) right now and find a sample of drivers with no license who have been driving for 30+ years who are much better drivers than some 16 year old who just got their license.
Point being that experience and knowledge is a much better indicator of prowess than licensing
That's why the government needs transparency. The same thing could happen with free markets, the biggest companies could just band together and create a conglomerate and essentially control what people buy. Kind of like how Disney is doing
Very true about credibility, but some people don't have a means to find out who is credible. Word of mouth works, yes, but it depends on who it comes from. These people may say he/she was great but there's no way to substantiate that.
The thing with people with no license is that they tend not to do things according to the standardized way of doing them, which is what laws and regulations go off of. Then again some of the laws and regulations on properties meant for businesses are ridiculous and I can see why people b**** about them. But some of them are there to prevent potential conflicts and keep people safe. Like if you do s*** all half assed, and it works perfectly, it doesn't mean something detrimental won't happen in the future or that s*** won't fall apart.
In my experience tho, licensed people were always quality over non-licensed. Even despite word of.mouth. because other people's 'Good job' isn't the same as your 'Good job'.