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  • Jun 2, 2020
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    Durkio World

    anarcho capitalism is a meme ideology

  • EuroNymous 🩘
    Jun 2, 2020

    i am fairly fine how its ran over here outside couple things mainly big corps should get taxed way more, money should stay out politics, fair mainstream media and more focus on environment but i feel system is pretty decent (compared to america's)

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    Market logic is not shallow or amoral. You can’t place moral on how you think other people ought to willingly interact with each other unless it’s in violation of the other persons rights. A capitalist system has it flaws, but in no way compares to fundamental flaw of socialism which is force and the removal of choice.

    When people talk about a free market with no government regulations I can't help but think of those street markets in 3rd world countries where everyone and their family is selling some type of food or ware.

    Like, if you want everyone to be selling dirty street pollution food that is sure to make non natives terribly ill for the love of your money, just go move there and start your business

    Would less regulations mean that electricians wouldn't have to be certified in order to legally work on residential wiring?

    Like, yeah quality work will always be at the forefront and most well known, but that just means they have leverage on the prices they can charge consumers. And since profits always have to reach new peaks, this will eventually lead to price hikes or shady business practices.

    I cannot trust people hungry for a bag

  • Jun 2, 2020
    DEL_245

    Ancaps are just fascists who haven't found a strongman to rally around

    they are not legitimate anarchists and never will be; nor will they ever be taken seriously

    P much lol

  • Jun 2, 2020

    Didn't expect this

  • Jun 2, 2020

    y'all had the time to do all 5 of these things????

  • Jun 2, 2020

    Compass is garbage I'm much more free market supportive than socialist prob only did that because I put protectionism is needed sometimes and monopolies/environment regs are required

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    DEL_245

    Ancaps are just fascists who haven't found a strongman to rally around

    they are not legitimate anarchists and never will be; nor will they ever be taken seriously

    That doesn't make any sense

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    Mel

    That doesn't make any sense

    How doesn't it

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    Synopsis

    How doesn't it

    Aren't they strongly similar to libertarians? In what way would they end up supporting a fascist/centralized authority?

    correct me if I'm wrong that they are similar to libertarians

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    Mel

    Aren't they strongly similar to libertarians? In what way would they end up supporting a fascist/centralized authority?

    correct me if I'm wrong that they are similar to libertarians

    Libertarians today are essentially anarcho capitalists.

    Or you just have the weirdo gun nuts who post libertarian rhetoric but bow down to trump and the police state

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    Libertarians today are essentially anarcho capitalists.

    Or you just have the weirdo gun nuts who post libertarian rhetoric but bow down to trump and the police state

    I didn't know what an ancap was until recently tbh

    Just from what I've seen they push free market and no/little state, so I didn't get how it would give way to fascism because (gov) power is inherently decentralized.

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    Pusha P

    When people talk about a free market with no government regulations I can't help but think of those street markets in 3rd world countries where everyone and their family is selling some type of food or ware.

    Like, if you want everyone to be selling dirty street pollution food that is sure to make non natives terribly ill for the love of your money, just go move there and start your business

    Would less regulations mean that electricians wouldn't have to be certified in order to legally work on residential wiring?

    Like, yeah quality work will always be at the forefront and most well known, but that just means they have leverage on the prices they can charge consumers. And since profits always have to reach new peaks, this will eventually lead to price hikes or shady business practices.

    I cannot trust people hungry for a bag

    Well I don’t advocate for a market completely free of regulation so I don’t know where you got that idea. I’d argue that finding such people is pretty damn rare.
    But as for that electrician example, relying solely on licensed credentials to decide who you pay for a service is just about one of the dumbest things a person could do.
    And no, smaller government regulation in many cases would actually increase competition. Who do you think benefits from a higher govt mandated minimum wage? The bigger corporations. More regulations often just price out entry into the market by smaller companies and in effect destroys competition

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    Mel

    Aren't they strongly similar to libertarians? In what way would they end up supporting a fascist/centralized authority?

    correct me if I'm wrong that they are similar to libertarians

    Underlying the thought of far right libertarianism is the notion that those who aren't fit for a "free" capitalist society will simply shrivel up and blow away. The losers in economic competition will somehow cease to exist. Otherwise you would clearly need an enormous police state to protect the "winners" which isn't how they imagine their utopia.

    It's just a short step from there to "And therefore we may as well get rid of them ourselves." And of course they always held a radicalised notion of who would and would not succeed in their libertarian paradise.

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    Side Nigha

    Well I don’t advocate for a market completely free of regulation so I don’t know where you got that idea. I’d argue that finding such people is pretty damn rare.
    But as for that electrician example, relying solely on licensed credentials to decide who you pay for a service is just about one of the dumbest things a person could do.
    And no, smaller government regulation in many cases would actually increase competition. Who do you think benefits from a higher govt mandated minimum wage? The bigger corporations. More regulations often just price out entry into the market by smaller companies and in effect destroys competition

    Last part is very true. I think the real answer is a healthy mixture of both our ideas.

    It really just comes down to if we can trust people in power, which at the current time is a big no.

    Also why is looking for licensed employees dumb?

    Are you saying someone unlicensed can do the job just as well or something?

  • Jun 2, 2020
    DEL_245
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    Underlying the thought of far right libertarianism is the notion that those who aren't fit for a "free" capitalist society will simply shrivel up and blow away. The losers in economic competition will somehow cease to exist. Otherwise you would clearly need an enormous police state to protect the "winners" which isn't how they imagine their utopia.

    It's just a short step from there to "And therefore we may as well get rid of them ourselves." And of course they always held a radicalised notion of who would and would not succeed in their libertarian paradise.

    This has so many oxymorons in it that it’s incredible. It truly takes an intellectual titan to misconstrue libertarianism the way you just did

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    DEL_245

    Underlying the thought of far right libertarianism is the notion that those who aren't fit for a "free" capitalist society will simply shrivel up and blow away. The losers in economic competition will somehow cease to exist. Otherwise you would clearly need an enormous police state to protect the "winners" which isn't how they imagine their utopia.

    It's just a short step from there to "And therefore we may as well get rid of them ourselves." And of course they always held a radicalised notion of who would and would not succeed in their libertarian paradise.

    Going off your description, I would not assume the police state would be necessary or 'getting' rid of the 'unfit'/w.e

    Seems like you'd just end up with a caste system and/or feudalistic system. The outsiders would just end up in poverty and little ability to mobilize or do anything. Just given the libertarian like ideology, I don't picture them rallying around a single authority to be categorized as fascist. S*** system regardless giving faith to your description though, but I'm not an expert anyway.

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    Going off your description, I would not assume the police state would be necessary or 'getting' rid of the 'unfit'/w.e

    Seems like you'd just end up with a caste system and/or feudalistic system. The outsiders would just end up in poverty and little ability to mobilize or do anything. Just given the libertarian like ideology, I don't picture them rallying around a single authority to be categorized as fascist. S*** system regardless giving faith to your description though, but I'm not an expert anyway.

    They turn into fascists the moment they realise that their Social-Darwinist utopia needs to be violently protected from organised movements of people who oppose Social Darwinism

    but yes any Ancap society would likely dissolve into some form of Neo-feudalism

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    Pusha P

    Last part is very true. I think the real answer is a healthy mixture of both our ideas.

    It really just comes down to if we can trust people in power, which at the current time is a big no.

    Also why is looking for licensed employees dumb?

    Are you saying someone unlicensed can do the job just as well or something?

    I don’t think we can ever trust people in power and history supports that which is why I don’t understand how anyone can advocate bigger government. To me it’s not simply a matter of “at this time”. It is a constant truth that “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

    And as I said “relying solely” on licensing is what’s dumb. I don’t know many people who open a yellow book and point a finger at a random licensed worker to hire. Markets rely on credibility which puts the onus onto the seller to prove that they are worth our money. And yes in many cases an unlicensed person could do just as great as a job than a licensed person. Think about driving for example, does everyone with a drivers license have the same level of driving prowess? Absolutely not. I can go to Ghana(my home country) right now and find a sample of drivers with no license who have been driving for 30+ years who are much better drivers than some 16 year old who just got their license.

    Point being that experience and knowledge is a much better indicator of prowess than licensing

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    They turn into fascists the moment they realise that their Social-Darwinist utopia needs to be violently protected from organised movements of people who oppose Social Darwinism

    but yes any Ancap society would likely dissolve into some form of Neo-feudalism

    Again keeping with my view that it turns feudalistic, history shows various times those systems came to an end due to external forces/wars. Rarely were citizens that much of a threat for full fascism to be necessary. I don't think you'd have the nationalistic ideals among people for it take hold in a libertarian society either.

  • Jun 2, 2020
    Side Nigha

    I don’t think we can ever trust people in power and history supports that which is why I don’t understand how anyone can advocate bigger government. To me it’s not simply a matter of “at this time”. It is a constant truth that “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

    And as I said “relying solely” on licensing is what’s dumb. I don’t know many people who open a yellow book and point a finger at a random licensed worker to hire. Markets rely on credibility which puts the onus onto the seller to prove that they are worth our money. And yes in many cases an unlicensed person could do just as great as a job than a licensed person. Think about driving for example, does everyone with a drivers license have the same level of driving prowess? Absolutely not. I can go to Ghana(my home country) right now and find a sample of drivers with no license who have been driving for 30+ years who are much better drivers than some 16 year old who just got their license.

    Point being that experience and knowledge is a much better indicator of prowess than licensing

    That's why the government needs transparency. The same thing could happen with free markets, the biggest companies could just band together and create a conglomerate and essentially control what people buy. Kind of like how Disney is doing

    Very true about credibility, but some people don't have a means to find out who is credible. Word of mouth works, yes, but it depends on who it comes from. These people may say he/she was great but there's no way to substantiate that.

    The thing with people with no license is that they tend not to do things according to the standardized way of doing them, which is what laws and regulations go off of. Then again some of the laws and regulations on properties meant for businesses are ridiculous and I can see why people b**** about them. But some of them are there to prevent potential conflicts and keep people safe. Like if you do s*** all half assed, and it works perfectly, it doesn't mean something detrimental won't happen in the future or that s*** won't fall apart.

    In my experience tho, licensed people were always quality over non-licensed. Even despite word of.mouth. because other people's 'Good job' isn't the same as your 'Good job'.

  • Jun 2, 2020
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    DEL_245

    anarcho capitalism is a meme ideology

    Because someone on ktt says so?

  • Jun 3, 2020
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    Durkio World

    Because someone on ktt says so?

    Nah because facts are facts.

  • Jun 3, 2020
    Mulder

    Nah because facts are facts.

    its a fact ancap is a meme according to who?

  • Aug 4, 2020

    hey

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