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    Bill Ackman

    Capitalism is the least racist system there is lmao

    Capitalism thrives on a surplus of consumers & demand that outweighs supply. The more participants in a capitalistic economy the better.

    No system that has a goal of generating as much wealth as humanly possible is even remotely racist. Anyone telling you differently is an uneducated grifter acting in bad faith.

    In theory, yes. But in practice within the free market, you get situations that lead to racism that would not otherwise exist. If black people are bad for business, then issues are presented and racism appears. The system itself is not racist, but the market dictates it and makes it racist.

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    Cow

    Yet your man Synopsis will not give a vote to Biden even though it absolutely 100% does lead to tackling inequality on some level. Biden is better for inequality than Trump by every objective measure. And no, I am not supporting Biden. I don't like the guy or his politics, but take him relative to Trump. Your man claims to fight for inequality whilst refusing to vote for Biden.

    My target is on middle class white people roleplaying fantasies. I don't want to see a privileged white guy talking about tackling the system in a militant fashion. If you ain't prepared to risk your life rioting and tearing the system apart, don't tell other people to. Don't put that responsibility on those less fortunate.

    I am not going to finish every one of my posts with 'not all leftists'. How about you man up and stop getting offended over this? I couldn't give a f*** about you or your leftist friends getting offended. Many leftists in here have no taken offense to this. Start looking at yourself and the people you surround yourself with if me saying middle class white leftists are bad for the cause is offending you.

    I'm not offended at you validly calling out a type of people who do occupy the 'leftist movement' or philosophy in some capacity.

    I was just saying it'd make sense to frame the title and some of your attacks in a more focused way to get your point across, because it didn't account for a lot of other people who subscribe to these patterns of thinking that aren't stuck up white 'army men wannabe fantasizers' but rather are consciously looking for an in-road to help and talking with everyone they can about policies that'd help and ways we can all communicate to get more and more people on the more equal and sustainable side of things,

    And as long as Biden (who I voted for, because like you said, I'd rather have him than the last guy), is still keeping up the military industrial complex and being anti-living wage, he's worth criticizing.

    all politicians are worth criticizing and speaking out towards when something they're doing is deemed to have a stagnant or negative effect.

    bruh maybe i typed like i got offended but im just sitting here tired as hell surprised at ur last paragraph

  • Mar 8, 2021

    at that mf i have blocked saying capitalism is the least racist system yooooo

  • Mar 8, 2021
    Mango

    Try again

    I wish he was president in ‘08 instead of Obama

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    jg33

    I don't really understand how in 2021 capitalism fuels racism. Obviously racism has historically been integral to capitalism in world history. But what's stopping a black man from reaping the benefits of capitalism nowadays?

    "Inherent equality" to me means ensuring equality of opportunity, not ensuring equality of outcomes in the way socialism does.

    I would argue that I'm quite anti-racist and that consists of treating everyone regardless of race with the same respect and protecting their freedoms as outlined in the bill of rights

    Well first, those structures still exist. Because the ability to "benefit" from capitalism is largely dependent upon the situation you were born into, black people are largely cut off from those so called benefits due to generational racism. Even today, we see it in policing, home loans, environmental racism etc., and poverty rates, among other things that are too countless to name.

    And equality of outcome is a ridiculously b******ized concept. First, what does it mean? everyone makes the same money and lives the same way? No. We are not looking for that because the mantra is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." What it should mean is, everyone is guaranteed a certain standard of living. where they aren't homeless, dont have to go without medical care, where they aren't forced to work for some bloodsucking capitalist for a s***ty wage. where everyone participates in a democratic process to have control over their labor and life.

    Also it doesn't matter if you treat them with respect or treat them the same. The point of anti-racism is to realize the differences, recognize the structures that perpetuate those differences, and then figure out how we can dismantle those systems and provide people the justice they deserve based on the wrongs they faced.

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    Least racist system of all time damn bro

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    must be nice being from a imperial power posting about how benefitial capitalism is

  • OP
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    spongebob
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    I'm not offended at you validly calling out a type of people who do occupy the 'leftist movement' or philosophy in some capacity.

    I was just saying it'd make sense to frame the title and some of your attacks in a more focused way to get your point across, because it didn't account for a lot of other people who subscribe to these patterns of thinking that aren't stuck up white 'army men wannabe fantasizers' but rather are consciously looking for an in-road to help and talking with everyone they can about policies that'd help and ways we can all communicate to get more and more people on the more equal and sustainable side of things,

    And as long as Biden (who I voted for, because like you said, I'd rather have him than the last guy), is still keeping up the military industrial complex and being anti-living wage, he's worth criticizing.

    all politicians are worth criticizing and speaking out towards when something they're doing is deemed to have a stagnant or negative effect.

    bruh maybe i typed like i got offended but im just sitting here tired as hell surprised at ur last paragraph

    Yeah, this is way to hostile for no reason lmao. This just happens with online political discussions.

    I have no issue with you. I am finding the people I describe in the OP are very common. You might disagree with that. I see these people all the time, and it annoys me to see. They need to be shamed by the left because they do not help us.

    Biden absolutely does need to be criticised for his actions. I had a problem with the left constantly attacking him instead of Trump in the run up to the election, but he needs to be thrown under the bus for the next 4 years.

  • Mar 8, 2021
    spongebob

    Least racist system of all time damn bro

    what the f*** does this even mean

  • Mar 8, 2021
    Cow

    Yeah, this is way to hostile for no reason lmao. This just happens with online political discussions.

    I have no issue with you. I am finding the people I describe in the OP are very common. You might disagree with that. I see these people all the time, and it annoys me to see. They need to be shamed by the left because they do not help us.

    Biden absolutely does need to be criticised for his actions. I had a problem with the left constantly attacking him instead of Trump in the run up to the election, but he needs to be thrown under the bus for the next 4 years.

    Idk about 'thrown under the bus' because he's the f***ing driver

    but pressured like hell? the left somehow being unified into as large an influence as possible to influence as much progressive policy as we can get out of him?

    My main issue is when people are satisfied and happy too easily with one action or one bill. I'm more like "That's good. Now on to the next one. We got a lot more to do" kind of attitude.

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    Cow

    In theory, yes. But in practice within the free market, you get situations that lead to racism that would not otherwise exist. If black people are bad for business, then issues are presented and racism appears. The system itself is not racist, but the market dictates it and makes it racist.

    an economic system that is primarily focused on generating as much wealth as possible cannot be racist. there is no way to twist it because the more external factors such as racism you add to the equation, the further you move away from the goal of capitalism.

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    TragedyBerlusconi

    Real

    Maoists, marxists leninists are just economic losers. Lenin was a failed economist with an personal grudge and mao completely f***ed up

    It’s not even about being an loser in economics. Equality for all is wrong morally imo

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    Mar 8, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    an economic system that is primarily focused on generating as much wealth as possible cannot be racist. there is no way to twist it because the more external factors such as racism you add to the equation, the further you move away from the goal of capitalism.

    But external factors dictate the market. If there is nothing to regulate it, the market decides what does and does not generate wealth. If the market decides black people are bad for business then they get excluded from the system.

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    RoomOnFire

    It’s not even about being an loser in economics. Equality for all is wrong morally imo

    yeah people have somehow turned equality into meaning “morally correct” true equality is not good nor should it ever be the goal; at least economically speaking. would you rather 10 people all have $5 or would you rather one have $200, one have $150, one have $90, and the remaining 7 have somewhere from $15-45?

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    Cow

    Yeah, this is way to hostile for no reason lmao. This just happens with online political discussions.

    I have no issue with you. I am finding the people I describe in the OP are very common. You might disagree with that. I see these people all the time, and it annoys me to see. They need to be shamed by the left because they do not help us.

    Biden absolutely does need to be criticised for his actions. I had a problem with the left constantly attacking him instead of Trump in the run up to the election, but he needs to be thrown under the bus for the next 4 years.

    I will say that there does exist a hypocrisy of some leftists actually becoming elitists when that's the issue one would want a socialist or communist to be against, when elitism and abuse of privilege and status was supposed to be the enemy of many a leftist idea.

    People don't realize they should be advocating for a better life for EVERYONE, even though you don't have to pander to anyone its just more so that more equality means less suffering for everyone. A healthier planet means better breathable air for everyone. Happier people means they'll contribute to society in whatever way is best for them, in a more positive way. This goes for everyone

    Political manipulation should be addressed at the source, not just oh this individual ____ supporter who's uneducated and didn't even know any better critical thinking to handle the disinformation that was coming their way.

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    Cow

    But external factors dictate the market. If there is nothing to regulate it, the market decides what does and does not generate wealth. If the market decides black people are bad for business then they get excluded from the system.

    and if the market decides that an entire demographic is bad for business, the market will fail. because there is no logic or reason behind such a thing.

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    ok i think i really am in it because someone saying "The goals of capitalism" has me laughing

  • OP
    Mar 8, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    and if the market decides that an entire demographic is bad for business, the market will fail. because there is no logic or reason behind such a thing.

    But if the market exists within a system where most of the wealth is in the hands of white people, it doesn't make any difference if non white people are excluded from it. The risk of losing customers hiring black people outweighs the benefits of the wealth black people bring.

  • Mar 8, 2021
    spongebob

    ok i think i really am in it because someone saying "The goals of capitalism" has me laughing

    you posted a picture of us presidents (?) as some sort of argument that capitalism is racist.

    you clearly have no idea what capitalism or socialism is and have associated both of the terms with “capitalism is when government does things i don’t like” and “socialism is when government does things i do like”

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    Mar 8, 2021
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    spongebob

    I will say that there does exist a hypocrisy of some leftists actually becoming elitists when that's the issue one would want a socialist or communist to be against, when elitism and abuse of privilege and status was supposed to be the enemy of many a leftist idea.

    People don't realize they should be advocating for a better life for EVERYONE, even though you don't have to pander to anyone its just more so that more equality means less suffering for everyone. A healthier planet means better breathable air for everyone. Happier people means they'll contribute to society in whatever way is best for them, in a more positive way. This goes for everyone

    Political manipulation should be addressed at the source, not just oh this individual ____ supporter who's uneducated and didn't even know any better critical thinking to handle the disinformation that was coming their way.

    I don't disagree with any of what you say at all

    I am of the opinion people need to be far more militant and think outside of the box. I can't be bothered with a friendly protest. I want to tear stuff down, but it has to be consistent. I have been trying to convince local homeless people to stop hiding away and start sleeping outside the houses of private landlords. S***e like this on a mass scale makes a difference.

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    Cow

    But if the market exists within a system where most of the wealth is in the hands of white people, it doesn't make any difference if non white people are excluded from it. The risk of losing customers hiring black people outweighs the benefits of the wealth black people bring.

    i can guarantee you and intelligent businessperson would absolutely not think this way lmao

    old white dudes with generational oil wealth are not relevant in our economy really

    they’re just a waste of space

    most of today’s prominent business figures are the opposite of this

    majority of biden’s donors were upper-middle class and upper class, mainly from NYC/CA... and biden smoked trump in donations

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    Cow

    I don't disagree with any of what you say at all

    I am of the opinion people need to be far more militant and think outside of the box. I can't be bothered with a friendly protest. I want to tear stuff down, but it has to be consistent. I have been trying to convince local homeless people to stop hiding away and start sleeping outside the houses of private landlords. S***e like this on a mass scale makes a difference.

    ok that last sentence crazy... almost sound like u want them to be pawns but i get the message ur thinking of

  • OP
    Mar 8, 2021
    spongebob

    ok that last sentence crazy... almost sound like u want them to be pawns but i get the message ur thinking of

    It is kind of unethical, but it gets results and they benefit from it. It is what it is. I am sick of homeless people being taught to hide away. I speak to them so much and they are broken people who have been taught it is all their fault. Even Marx hated these people. They are strong people who are absolutely beneficial for the cause.

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    Mar 8, 2021
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    Bill Ackman

    i can guarantee you and intelligent businessperson would absolutely not think this way lmao

    old white dudes with generational oil wealth are not relevant in our economy really

    they’re just a waste of space

    most of today’s prominent business figures are the opposite of this

    majority of biden’s donors were upper-middle class and upper class, mainly from NYC/CA... and biden smoked trump in donations

    I am not saying that is what is happening. I am giving you an example of how capitalism can cause racism.

    Black wealth is more powerful than racism in the US right now. Probably. From a business perspective.

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