Baby Tate is the PERFECT person to input on this btw

Both of her parents were literally black trailblazers in rock that got f***ed over

I grew up on both these albums, had a semi viral series giving them flowers on tiktok/ig (and got to talk to Dionne, she really cool. Very supportive of her daughter)

Won't hear me knocking this though

MCR was damn near paramore level as far as being accepted in the black community lol. well at least where i grew up. and i hate to be that guy because i was one of those niggas that fw paramore back in the day, but at some point mfs need to start using a different template for rock man

Where I lived at MCR was looked at as “oh u shop at hot topic exclusively” black music

Honestly when I see niggas say s*** like this it genuinely pisses me off even more lmao

Some of these niggas just don't know s*** and they boast in their ignorance of their own f***in music and history.

S*** is just f***in sad.

She was kinda giving bad takes all around about this ngl

Even called blues a subgenre of rock lol

Slightly different convo but it came from this topic

I don't really agree with this tweet

Perfect not as in good or bad but perfect cause she is the poster child of this discussion.

In spite of her upbringing (and sadly her dad isnt active, her words) she still is also just a student of the music she is around.

It’s the same reason why the son of ishmael f***ing butler and swv’s coko makes YN music.

The same reason why the son of angie stone and d’angelo makes autotune r&b

Gonna just pray its a typo and she meant the other way around lalalalalala

elaborate cause i don’t see where she’s wrong here

She is but she also isnt.

I’m in fact here to say that Paramore and all them bands are bad and it’s a shame that these have become the primary touchstones for people making rock music today. Just damns rock to continued stagnation.

Glad to see people in the tweets op included calling this s*** out

Also more people need to tap into the underrated goats Mandrill. Wealth of inspiration there for black rock artists

Semantics

Obviously they are black artists making black rock music and I acknowledge that

And Paramore and the like were obviously influenced by black artists

Yachty's rock music sounds closer to the foundational black rock music from 70s / 80s then more contemporary rock in my opinion

You are overreacting

I think its just more complex than that. Like any art made by a black person is black art.

But if we keep using that same logic then it has be apply when white people make rnb. Bobby Caldwell doesnt just suddenly become white music because he made it.

Feel like that logic leads to appropriation

the only way where she’s wrong is if a nigga was making MAGA music aka tom mcdonald, otherwise i don’t see it

Thinking this one through

I don’t refute that opener, and I agree with your thinking. I do think it’s unfair to expect this of artists but doesn’t take away from your logic

My thinking is around the longevity and versatility of rock. How do we know they aren’t doing this

We know Zoe makes music like her father but we can’t necessarily hear the Lenny in her. Willow too

Will come back to this. Cool thread

Real for knowing Death

However you feel about that tweet depends on your perspective of the artist behind the music being made.

Like yeah, a black person can make a career in opera and due to lack of accessibility and just knowledge and spaces to open up, you not gonna see a lot of niggas at your shows. BUT you still gotta deal with “being a nigga singing opera” and all that comes with it, so it’s still black music in a sense.

I witnessed one of my best friends in college not get to play his primary instrument (harp) for most his undergrad because nobody in the music program wanted to lend him a harp to play or practice on (because “niggas dont play harp”)

So no, I don’t Baby Tate is wrong for her tweet tbh @Oblivion99

No it doesnt man nothing on that yachty album sounds like a bad brains or a fishbone ma and pa man stfu

S*** sound more like tame impala man.

Bobby’s still white though.

You peep Lenny’s interview from a while ago @op ?

That s*** don't matter cause she's been getting cooked left and right lmao

Ehh I think thats different convo than what she was tryna get at

Yeah thats my point, would call the music he makes "white music"