You can say the same for Riddler though. That's the thing i was saying in my last point. The mystery isn't the identity of the villain, its what that villain is searching for and his/her connection to Gothams elite, deeper secrets or Bruce's background. Batman didn't launch into Riddler investigations to reveal the person at hand. Very little of the investigation was spent trying to unravel who was behind it. These aren't whodunnits, they're noirs. The identities only play 1 function of the story.

Even in the case they do Phantasm (which i've theorized a lot about), the real reveal wouldn't be that XYZ is Phantasm. Its ultimately what XYZ's connection is to Gotham itself, what she's trying to unravel, and how that's relevant to Wayne.

Just because audience knows Elliot is Hush, doesn't mean we know what Reeves wants him to reveal to Batman throughout the story. There was FAR more to that story than simple identity too

Like was the reveal of The Batman that Edward Nashton is The Riddler? The real learning happened from the questions Riddler asked and where he led Bruce

The Long Halloween is an example of a whodunnit. The pure mystery was who was Holiday and Batman kept going to Calendar Man who learn what type of person is doing this. The Batman and Reeves approach are not whodunnits.

I actually think this is a misconception of what Phantasm film and Hush comic were trying to do as well. Those aren't purely focused on revealing the identity either.

lol I bet

TDK has probably the greatest pacing of any action movie ever.

Batman comes to a screeching halt mid movie and barely recovers. Plus, movie boring asf.

FACTS du rag baby

And that’s hilarious cause you just know they’re really saying Greig Fraser and James Chinlund >>>>> The Dark Knight deep down

TDK is a phenomenal action film. As a Batman story it struggles to even care, which is why the convo is already being entertained on what might end up Reeves weakest Batman film for all we know. The real fitting convo is with The Batman and Batman Begins, but wider audiences still don't give BB its respect.

This is all what happens anyways when there's a new era of the characters solo films after nearly 2 decades.

super mid movie I don’t care much it peaks comic accuracy for some(?), TDK transcended even being viewed as such, not even on the same planet as films

I have hope this will be much more interesting though

not a Nolan Neanderthal by any means, the vision has some obvious blemishes when scrutinized enough, but TDK is an absolutely otherwordly piece of pop filmmaking and no amount of revisionist bullshit is gonna change that lol... there's a reason it had the world in a chokehold.

idgaf if Bale's Batman was undercooked when everything around him was so peak

Like was the reveal of The Batman that Edward Nashton is The Riddler? The real learning happened from the questions Riddler asked and where he led Bruce

Because nobody cares about The Riddler’s identity lmao, that’s not the core conflict of that character

The Batman is a better Batman movie

The Dark Knight is a better crime movie

Reeves own comments suggest it’s the method he’s continuing moving forward

Maybe I should have led with that instead.

The first story is so much about The Batman. I always wanted in the movies, and let’s say we get to make three – I have no idea – that I always wanted the movies to be focused on his character. A lot of the other films, which I love, once you get past the origin tale, then you start telling the rogues’ gallery story and that character’s arc.
I never wanted to lose Rob at the centre of these stories, so that is what we really set our aim on. Picking the right villain that digs into what that does and goes into his past and his life, that was what drove that discussion.

The perfect movie for me exists in a triangle of writing, pacing, and acting.

You really cannot transcend into “great” when one or more of these things is lacking…

lol yeah The Batman “looks” better than TDK (it’s 10+ yrs later) but TDK wasn’t going for the hyper stylized, neo-gothic look.

TDK’s comp, visually, is something like Heat.

Both movie are objectively competent tho…

na apparently hollywood is only made up of 12 leading actors who need to get passed around like a blunt so we'll see these movies

Nah for it to survive they need new faces . Hungry actors. Seeing the same faces over and over makes it feel like a fever dream

They not doing that . There will be a new villain that off shifts it

Just came to post this. This is what I’ve been trying to argue about Gilda and Christopher. It has to be some twist. There’s very little to no Batman stories that utilize a modern Christopher Dent. Reeves has complete liberty and was going to cast a major star for him. Then there’s still rumors ScarJo has a significant role

It almost feels like Harvey could be the least prominent of the three here.

Doubt it’s the Court but these the type of theories I feel we need

Makes logical sense even though court of owls never personally wowed me . Will reread to prep .

While you’re at it might as well read Snyders run if you have time. Court of Owls is Vol 1-2.

Reeves already pulled a lot of the Riddler stuff, murdering elites, the flood, etc… from Zero Year. Still hesitant they’re going for Owls but would fully embrace it easily

Court of owls in this universe would be great.