SKYKILLA

5y

it matters when you're building up a trilogy and preparing for the other 2 movies to come.

you mentioned luke chopping off vaders hand in ROTJ - ROTJ is the final film in the trilogy. that is the final confrontation. vader stomps him in empire, and in episode 4 we just see vader battle obi wan.

imagine in a new hope if luke confronted darth vader with no training and somehow came out of it unscathed, or even got a decent hit in. that makes vader look weak and less imposing as the big bad villain of the movies.

its just bad writing across the board, you keep defending these awfully written characters. the fans arent dipshits - more than the fans have let their opinion known on these movies.

SKYKILLA

5y

you might be first guy ive ever seen say they are amazing movies.

to each his own, but the whole sequel trilogy is a disaster if you ask me. prequels have a lot of problems for sure, but ill take the characters and universe from those movies > the sequels.

you're in the minority with those statements

Emery Atreides

5y

TLJ only second to ESB and ANH

Oldhead

5y

Kylo was supposed to be the main villain then dumbass s*** for brains thought it would be a good idea to bring the Emperor back

SKYKILLA

5y

he cant be the badass main villian when they writ his character terrible in the first movie.

he didnt come off badass or intimidating at all - you just said yourself, and you also defended, the idea that he was shaken up and conflicted over killing han solo. thats not intimidating, thats showing sympathy for the character.

what he should have did was killed han with no remorse, and then
he schools finn and rey with minimal effort. in the next movie you build towards a fight with luke or rey improves and they rematch down the line.

Emery Atreides

5y

my guy, Kylo ain’t Vader and Vader ain’t Kylo.

There’s clearly different goals for these two characters

Kylo is a character that’s set up to be an inverse of Vader.
fighting against the light, trying to live up to his grandfather’s name.

You’re able to set up a villain that goes through their own challenges that puts them in a weaker state being beaten by the protagonist

this is like saying Zuko isn’t a terrific villain because he kept on getting out matched by aang.

You can set up different paths and experiment with how a Villian’s narrative goes

SKYKILLA

5y

i think there was potential for kylo to go down as an iconic villian/character of the series, much like thanos is iconic now from these 2 avengers movies. maybe not darth vader status, because that character is mega-legendary, but kylo had loads of potential.

you can keep bringing up the writing to defend these characters and how things went, the writing, and the movies, got crapped on for many reasons, and rightfully so.

Emery Atreides

5y

Yeah you’re right Kylo Ren was a great villian up until TROS

You know where they f***ed up?
When they could have made him more of a irredeemable, tragic, isolated villian that dies that way, they instead opt to make him redeem himself in the most boring fashion.

his devolution should have continued for the finale.

and you still really haven’t been able to defend why you hate most of the writing other then basic s*** like “so and so is stupid”

SKYKILLA

5y

he was great until the second half of TFA, for me. poor writing plagued every character apart of that trilogy. i think every interview ive seen with the actors, few of them want to return, or they are taking an extended break from being involved with star wars. cant really blame them

Emery Atreides

5y

It’s because of toxic fans plaguing the franchise actually

Emery Atreides

5y

It’s because of toxic fans plaguing the franchise actually

Mac Foley

5y

I don't think millionaire actors care that much about fans as much as the reception of their role or movie they're in tbh

Mac Foley

5y

I love arguing and discussing the minutia of these films but to me at the end of the day is are the films entertaining. The OG trilogy had some goofy s*** too (ROTJ lol) but the newest trilogy just didn't capture the fun or soul of the OG trilogy but that's fine cause neither did the prequels, for different reasons.

SKYKILLA

5y

how is it a new threat? the first order is a lazy rehash of the empire, just like the resistance is a copy off of the rebellion.

kylo struggles with a beginner, and an ex-stormtrooper picks up a lightsaber and goes back and forth with him. there is no new threat for luke. if they wanted to build these guys up as a legit threat to luke, they should have written the story different and should have made his opposition look stronger.

kylo had a chance to be an iconic villain if they did the character justice, but they did not deliver at all. if something didnt get buried and destroyed, it was just poorly done or mad average.

DoubleO 5

5y

Kylo cult has a reason to exist but moving forward it’s sad how under utilized and forgettable he’s already going to be

LIZZIE

5y

this the Star Trek thread?

LIZZIE

5y

this the Star Trek thread?

Emery Atreides

5y

swing and a miss bud

ANTI

5y

The dark side is the "new" threat. It hasn't been around in any form for almost 30 years, not only does Luke not understand why it's back, he can't comprehend how it's back. Vader is dead, he assumes The Emperor is dead, The dark side for all intents and purposes should be dead and buried but here it is inside his own nephew no less, threatening to wipe away everything he's done and plunge the galaxy back into decades of despair and darkness. Please note that when I say new I'm putting quotations around it. It's not new in the sense that it's never seen before, but it's still new.

Kylo is injured during that battle, and Rey, from the very moment that she realizes she has the Force is open and accepting to it, she believes in it and in herself and that's why she's so powerful in the Force from the get go. There have been hundreds of thousands of Jedi throughout the thousands of years that they've existed, Luke and Luke's training isn't the blueprint for every single Jedi.