I don’t know a better arc for transitioning into evil other then learning your master tried to murder you in your sleep because he had lost all faith in you to be a good person just saying.

Luke is notoriously not complex. It’s inconsistent to make him complex after having him not be for the last 43 years

Anakin’s arc? You’re all tripping, holy s***

Kylo whack too

I always thought of Kylo as the inverse of Vader

where Vader was strong, Kylo was weak

where Vader lost the love of his life in the process of becoming one with the dark side

Kylo had found love from Rey in the midst of being one with the dark side

Where Vader was forever shackled to the emperor, Kylo became the supreme leader

What i wanted in the end

Where Vader dies redeemed, Kylo dies irredeemable

Maybe that’s the problem.

People had set expectations for Luke to be what they envisioned and were shocked to find that wasn’t the case

I was specifically referring to Kylo’s story

I never liked Luke. The version of him in TLJ is more complex and likable IMO but I hate the inconsistency with the original trilogy.

Star Wars simply should’ve started and ended with Anakin. 6 movies and call it good. Then maybe transition to some Old Republic stuff. Sequel trilogy was unnecessary and ruined the whole saga. I do not consider it Star Wars

Prequels were trash until ROTS

Luke’s been a consistent character through Star Wars, there is just more to him then you thought

From a filmmaking perspective maybe. The story that is told by the prequels is infinitely better than the sequels in every way though. Manipulation of a child who was born from the force and has lost everything he ever loved? Fire. Not the mention the political plot of Palpatine. That s*** is underrated. Giving the Jedi an army to defend the republic with that, once he’s gained control, are programmed to turn on the Jedi and essentially grant him an Empire and eliminate all his enemies at once. There’s nothing like that in the original trilogy or sequels

OG Trilogy near perfect, it never needed any of that.

Prequels are all over the place story wise, expecting you to care about multiple different things that you don’t even really care about unless you start digging into the lore/TCW animated series.

There's a huge disconnect between what the character of Luke Skywalker really is, and the way he's viewed by people (which just so happens to be a theme of TLJ )

In ANH, Luke is just immature, whiny and doesn't really know much of anything. But it's the first movie of a trilogy, he's supposed to be that way. In ESB he's still immature, he's still whiny, and he proves to be impulsive and stubborn when he leaves Dagobah before he's ready and promptly gets his ass handed to him by Vader. But still, that's okay... this is the middle movie, you're supposed to struggle here, you're supposed to take the s*** and learn from it, so he does right? NOPE! We open ROTJ and ooooh he's in a black robe now, he's all mature now... he knows what he's doing. Except, he still has no idea because ROTJ opens up with the plan to rescue Han Solo, a plan that was orchestrated by Luke and is without question one of the worst plans of all-time for anything, almost getting everyone killed. Then he goes to Dagobah, Yoda dies. Is this the moment where Luke finally wises up? Nah. On his way home, the rebels start planning their mission, Luke has no idea what this mission is but decides to bust through the doors of the base proudly shouting, "Count me in!" and smiling like a goof. Then... about 5 minutes later realizes that he shouldn't have come along, he's endangering the mission and everyone that's a part of it. After nearly 3 entire movies he finally makes ONE good decision, to not kill his father. To me, one good decision doesn't automatically change a character. But apparently it was enough because for the 30+ years between the PT and the ST, Luke became widely regarded as the one of the greatest heroes in cinema history. Luke has flaws, they were put on display for the world to see for an entire 3 films but everyone seemed to turn a blind eye towards them... except for Rian Johnson.

Crazy how people have issue with that but not Obi Wan letting his surrogate son burn alive when just 48 hours prior he was saying he loved him and how he was proud of him

Atleast with Luke, we’ve seen that action from him before

exactly

It’s almost like he literally couldn’t kill Anakin

Let a man burn to death slowly instead of just chopping his head off brehs

He cut off his remaining limbs and left him in the lava banks to die while Anakin cried in pain

Don’t give me that s*** lol, the only reason why he didn’t kill him was because ROTJ revealed him to be a disfigured ass dude and the original trilogy plot exists

He knew Anakin wasn’t dead though. He would’ve felt that

What??

You’re telling me Rey can feel Leia die from planets away, a woman she barely knows. But Obi Wan wouldn’t feel Anakin pass away, someone he’s known his whole life, while he’s still on the same planet? He knew Anakin survived that s***

Hell, even Finn felt Rey die

Would have been goat if Finn was the main character instead of rey

1. He's not Anakin at that point, he's already Vader.

2. He very obviously left Anakin there to die. If not like... what was his plan? If not... then Obi-Wan is literally responsible for every atrocity that happens from that point on.

My take is its not a bad arc on paper, its pretty interesting but i dont think hamill or driver sell it. The disneyness of the film never really goes dark enough imo to make kylos journey pay off. It kinda glf goes there. There are tone problems throughout the sequel trilogy. The force awakens really starts it off poorly.

You actually believe Obi Wan just thought he was dead?

Obi Wan is less force sensitive than Finn in this thread