Scratchin Mamba

4y

It was one of the stated reasons in the Clinton emails

americana

4y

We’re bombing schools to limit civilian casualties

krishna bound

4y

my assumption is he's saying that retroactively we can now say we prevented a genocide which is also part of my point, no one intervened with the thought of stopping a genocide, they intervened because of geopolitics

Nessy

4y

the african currency theory is probably cap tho, there were a lot more reasons france and qatar wanted him dead

krishna bound

4y

it didn't help and was something which was cited in clinton emails for example (as @Scratchin_Bandit said) but realistically there's no way Gaddafi could have pulled off a pan-african currency anyway that successfully.
When it came to "pan" anything movements, Gaddafi was definitely an opportunist, and that was his biggest weakness. He had a lot of good ideas in organizing and running a state, but it was really just arbitrary pragmaticism - the same reason he was fine with not completely distrusting the west. For example, the only reason he pivoted to pan-Africanism and writing about the future of Africa to begin with in the green book was because his attempt at Pan-Islamism, Pan-Arabism, & MENA unity all basically completely bombed in succession years earlier.
The killing of Gaddafi was less of a direct conspiracy to stop pan-Africanism in a literal sense and more of a conspiracy in a general sense to retain foreign access to Libyan raw materials (esp oil), retain security along with mediterrenean, and increase both influence and power of west bloc aligned countries throughout Africa. I'm pretty sure the French government basically has documents saying they wanted Gaddafi deposed because he was de-coupling Africa from French influence and they found it unacceptable. All the banking & currency stuff obv didn't help, but that's not really why they overthrew him, it was a lot more direct and out in the open that they just didn't like a rapidly growing country with a lot of power challenging foreign interest & influence in the region in whatever manner possible, regardless of all the currency & pan-whatever stuff.

Nessy

4y

yea he also illegally financed Sarkozy's 2007 presidential campaign and was blackmailing him + wanted to be paid back so that didnt help

Nessy

4y

wish i could find the speech gaddafi did in front of arab leaders where he tells them they failed palestine and the West will do one of them like they did saddam

krishna bound

4y

do you have more info on this? i actually didn't know that.

Womanpuncher69

4y

other than knowing nothing i wonder why these people never talk about relations of production and always just productive forces

SEGA GOON

4y

Haz cult is small but strong

Womanpuncher69

4y

i don’t get em at all they call Vietnam revisionist but then praise modern China tbh i’m prob just looking for something deeper than it actually is it’s just due to Haz little spat with Luna

Scratchin Mamba

4y

There's gonna be an investigation about operation GLADIO in the Netherlands @Y0rn

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/08/probe-into-secret-resistance-group-set-up-to-stop-cold-war-invasion/

The government has commissioned a study into a group of hundreds of volunteers who were recruited during the Cold War to defend the Netherlands against a potential Russian invasion. Relatives of the Stay Behind group, as they were known, have been calling for years for the government to release its records on the group’s membership and activities. Between 1945 and 1992 several hundred citizens were recruited into the secret resistance organisation and given training, with orders not to tell even close relatives about their work. They were also responsible for dozens of caches of weapons, some of which fell into the hands of criminal gangs after the organisation was disbanded. When some of the guns were used by members of Willem Holleeder’s gang in the 1990s, the government covered up the theft to stop Stay Behind’s existence coming to light, the Volkskrant reported. The Netherlands Institute for Military History (NIMH) has now been asked to compile an inventory of documents about Stay Behind and interview surviving witnesses. The institute is due to report back in October, after which the government will decide whether to order a wider investigation. Opening doors Relatives want the government to acknowledge both the group’s work and the tensions that it caused in families who were implicated. Some families only found out that a relative had been recruited after they died. Hadewych Jansen op de Haar, whose father Gerard Pelt was a member of Stay Behind, said: ‘We hope that this commission will actually mean the NIMH can open doors that until now have been closed.’ Pelt spent 30 years as head of sabotage in the operations division, during which time he made notes of around 40 locations where weapons including bazookas were stored underground. Prime minister Mark Rutte and the then defence minister Ank Bijleveld broke the official silence on Stay Behind in February 2021 in a letter to relatives on behalf of the government, in which they praised the ‘impartial, extremely conscientious, and professional’ work done by the group ‘in the interests of our kingdom’. ‘This caused considerable tensions in many families and enforced restrictions in the personal and family environment. Their efforts deserve the highest respect.’

kool2

4y

I miss when the libs were calling him Drumpf

They were so hype about that

krishna bound

4y

2015-2018 culture wars were nuts
The brain worms were working overtime

SEGA GOON

4y

Still are

krishna bound

4y

Not wrong but it was even worse a few years ago in the mainstream. Trump running and winning legitimately melted some people’s minds beyond any repair. Lib rhetoric was absolutely unhinged. Unhinged political rhetoric still the case in the US but it’s a lot more confined and online imo vs like 2016

kool2

4y

Covfefe was like Christmas for them

krishna bound

4y

Not wrong but it was even worse a few years ago in the mainstream. Trump running and winning legitimately melted some people’s minds beyond any repair. Lib rhetoric was absolutely unhinged. Unhinged political rhetoric still the case in the US but it’s a lot more confined and online imo vs like 2016

krishna bound

4y

Miss him on Twitter tbh