New idea: what if we combined communism and Capitalism
Neither capitalism nor communism
it would be like a third way
Neither capitalism nor communism
it would be like a third way
Fr like a third position
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_de_Man
Galaxy brained "socialist"
When he proposed it on the floor of the parliament, his opponents shouted,"That is pure fascism" in a debate that caused de Man to suffer a stroke on the spot, and paralyzed him for almost three months.
I don't agree with this article and I dislike how it's presented tbh. There's a holier-than-thou feeling in this article which is highly dismissive of claims of quality of life and equating the worries of the average person to the excuses utilized by corporations - corporations which are obviously taking advantage of those worries, they aren't the ones originating it.
I also don't understand why the fixation is specifically on murder/violence as the sole qualification of crime. Murder/violence rising in major cities is a problem, sure, but it's secondary to the spike in things like property crime, theft, burglary, etc. - most of which, again, is not primarily effecting businesses. I also dislike the dismissal of many of these claims as being sole worries of the white-collar bourgeois. Is this true in inflated communities like San Francisco? Probably. Is this true in a city like Philly which is still by comparison very much middle & working class? Absolutely not.
I don't disagree with every point in the article but I also don't understand why they so desperately want to act like there's fearmongering about quality of life declines and everything is just "salacious", as if the current beholders of policy are in any way worth defending (something they themselves basically admit isn't the case). Weird cope article to me
interesting cuz the way i read it was exactly addressing ur concerns. that in essence crime IS increasing (just not all crime) and worries about crime are unilaterally increasing amongst every community of every kind and that handwaving it away is an issue.
But I think it’s very important that those on the left, abolitionists, and anyone who desperately wants our society to fundamentally rethink how we address issues of public safety, not be precious about this—not act as if it’s only rich, white latte liberals and conservatives driving the post-Black Lives Matter backlash. Poll after poll after poll shows “crime” is an urgent concern for all races and class demographics, and it has little to do with crime stats as such. This isn’t to say poor communities aren’t experiencing crime—obviously they are, especially gun violence—but this has long been the case. The Vibes may be unscientific, but they are real.
they're just mentioning how the actual existence of continuously increasing poverty is being translated into the poverty itself needing to be addressed AS crime instead of as a social problem with social institutional solutions and not carceral ones.
Dismissing the Vibes isn’t tactically smart and can be perceived as glib, denialist, or detached. People are seeing more visible evidence of widespread poverty. And this trend, echoed and replayed nonstop by local media and viral Facebook posts, contributes to a broad perception that our society is falling apart. The Vibes, therefore, are thrown into the catch-all category of “safety.”
And with this sleight-of-hand, with this conflation, all social ills fall under the purview of policing and prisons. Vibes, by their very nature, become the purview of our carceral state.
Countless headlines and articles that conflate an increase in police budgets with concern for “public safety” simply take for granted that the former leads to the latter. There’s no sense of the moral costs of more police and longer sentences—just a vague feeling Something Is Being Done. When the average person is accosted by someone suffering from Visible Poverty and mental health issues outside of a Starbucks, their response is, “Why isn’t this man in jail?” not, “Why did society fail to care for this person?” Because this is what they are conditioned to think, by the media, politicians, pop culture, and decades of carceral ideological framing. Cruelty is baked into our puritan culture, reinforced daily by everything from Perseverance P*** to nonstop pandemic-themed Welfare Queen tropes. Indeed, local news goes out of their way to pick on the most vulnerable.
And we wonder why people’s response to Visible Poverty is to make this horrific sight intelligible by blaming the poor and demanding they be “swept” up. Until this visceral, widespread reaction to Visible Poverty—fueled constantly by local media that’s little more than an appendage for the real estate industry—shifts, the political dynamic of mindlessly pumping more and more money into prisons and police cannot change. What, in an otherwise rational world, would be perceived as a systemic failure of the “richest country on Earth” to care for its poor has been moralized, compartmentalized, and reduced to millions of individual moral failings and Bad Life Choices. The Vibes are real—those looking to exploit The Vibes to bury Black Lives Matter reforms once and for all are in full force. The average media consumer and voter is only given One Option to “tackle public safety,” and if you disagree with this One Option you’re unserious, or belittling these fears, or denying black voters’ agency or whatever.
Many crime pundits would argue they’re actually lobbying for both more police and more social spending. But we know this is a convenient fiction, a balm to pitch the inevitable and already-decided-upon carceral uptick. New York City Mayor Eric Adams has mastered this faux “third way,” recently announcing $8 million for “homeless outreach,” which sounds enlightened and humane until one realizes it includes zero monies for actual long-term housing. City officials will “reach out” to arrest you for petty crimes. Or, at best, they will “reach out” to give you options of abstinence-only substance treatment, cockroach infested shelters, a precarious, low-paying job, or other avenues of bootstrap betterment—but never an actual home. No, this would create a moral hazard of robust social spending which, we are now told, is what’s driving inflation.
All that’s left then is meanness, fear, atomization, and increasingly complex moral frameworks that justify doing nothing as we see, with our own eyes, people suffering before us without meaningful state assistance. Because if it’s a collection of individual moral problems, then it’s a criminal problem. And if it’s a criminal problem, it can be solved with arresting and caging, and there’s nothing asked of us other than voting for more carceral policies and simply looking the other way as Visible Poverty is displaced to some anonymous prison somewhere out of sight and out of mind.
sorry i just posted a couple paragraphs to give u an idea of the article that might have been misleading
“the vibes are unscientific” makes me wanna smash my head against a wall those words together do no flow off well
interesting cuz the way i read it was exactly addressing ur concerns. that in essence crime IS increasing (just not all crime) and worries about crime are unilaterally increasing amongst every community of every kind and that handwaving it away is an issue.
But I think it’s very important that those on the left, abolitionists, and anyone who desperately wants our society to fundamentally rethink how we address issues of public safety, not be precious about this—not act as if it’s only rich, white latte liberals and conservatives driving the post-Black Lives Matter backlash. Poll after poll after poll shows “crime” is an urgent concern for all races and class demographics, and it has little to do with crime stats as such. This isn’t to say poor communities aren’t experiencing crime—obviously they are, especially gun violence—but this has long been the case. The Vibes may be unscientific, but they are real.
they're just mentioning how the actual existence of continuously increasing poverty is being translated into the poverty itself needing to be addressed AS crime instead of as a social problem with social institutional solutions and not carceral ones.
Dismissing the Vibes isn’t tactically smart and can be perceived as glib, denialist, or detached. People are seeing more visible evidence of widespread poverty. And this trend, echoed and replayed nonstop by local media and viral Facebook posts, contributes to a broad perception that our society is falling apart. The Vibes, therefore, are thrown into the catch-all category of “safety.”
And with this sleight-of-hand, with this conflation, all social ills fall under the purview of policing and prisons. Vibes, by their very nature, become the purview of our carceral state.
Countless headlines and articles that conflate an increase in police budgets with concern for “public safety” simply take for granted that the former leads to the latter. There’s no sense of the moral costs of more police and longer sentences—just a vague feeling Something Is Being Done. When the average person is accosted by someone suffering from Visible Poverty and mental health issues outside of a Starbucks, their response is, “Why isn’t this man in jail?” not, “Why did society fail to care for this person?” Because this is what they are conditioned to think, by the media, politicians, pop culture, and decades of carceral ideological framing. Cruelty is baked into our puritan culture, reinforced daily by everything from Perseverance P*** to nonstop pandemic-themed Welfare Queen tropes. Indeed, local news goes out of their way to pick on the most vulnerable.
And we wonder why people’s response to Visible Poverty is to make this horrific sight intelligible by blaming the poor and demanding they be “swept” up. Until this visceral, widespread reaction to Visible Poverty—fueled constantly by local media that’s little more than an appendage for the real estate industry—shifts, the political dynamic of mindlessly pumping more and more money into prisons and police cannot change. What, in an otherwise rational world, would be perceived as a systemic failure of the “richest country on Earth” to care for its poor has been moralized, compartmentalized, and reduced to millions of individual moral failings and Bad Life Choices. The Vibes are real—those looking to exploit The Vibes to bury Black Lives Matter reforms once and for all are in full force. The average media consumer and voter is only given One Option to “tackle public safety,” and if you disagree with this One Option you’re unserious, or belittling these fears, or denying black voters’ agency or whatever.
Many crime pundits would argue they’re actually lobbying for both more police and more social spending. But we know this is a convenient fiction, a balm to pitch the inevitable and already-decided-upon carceral uptick. New York City Mayor Eric Adams has mastered this faux “third way,” recently announcing $8 million for “homeless outreach,” which sounds enlightened and humane until one realizes it includes zero monies for actual long-term housing. City officials will “reach out” to arrest you for petty crimes. Or, at best, they will “reach out” to give you options of abstinence-only substance treatment, cockroach infested shelters, a precarious, low-paying job, or other avenues of bootstrap betterment—but never an actual home. No, this would create a moral hazard of robust social spending which, we are now told, is what’s driving inflation.
All that’s left then is meanness, fear, atomization, and increasingly complex moral frameworks that justify doing nothing as we see, with our own eyes, people suffering before us without meaningful state assistance. Because if it’s a collection of individual moral problems, then it’s a criminal problem. And if it’s a criminal problem, it can be solved with arresting and caging, and there’s nothing asked of us other than voting for more carceral policies and simply looking the other way as Visible Poverty is displaced to some anonymous prison somewhere out of sight and out of mind.
sorry i just posted a couple paragraphs to give u an idea of the article that might have been misleading
Like I said I don't fully disagree with the article altogether but I don't really understand it in full either. Why do they say "they are experiencing crime" but also that "polls show crime is urgent but it has nothing to do with crime"? I don't understand how they can say that and their proof is seemingly to just cite murder statistics?
I understand the point about systematic failure and about how proposed solutions are either clear to fail or make the issue worse, but I don't really understand why they're simultaneously claiming this is the case while also claiming the problem is the "salacious" reporting of crime rather than actual crime existing?
It seems very much like they're fence sitting a little bit because they don't want to say something conceivable in a bad way
“the vibes are unscientific” makes me wanna smash my head against a wall those words together do no flow off well
all future political discussions will only be about vibes
Like I said I don't fully disagree with the article altogether but I don't really understand it in full either. Why do they say "they are experiencing crime" but also that "polls show crime is urgent but it has nothing to do with crime"? I don't understand how they can say that and their proof is seemingly to just cite murder statistics?
I understand the point about systematic failure and about how proposed solutions are either clear to fail or make the issue worse, but I don't really understand why they're simultaneously claiming this is the case while also claiming the problem is the "salacious" reporting of crime rather than actual crime existing?
It seems very much like they're fence sitting a little bit because they don't want to say something conceivable in a bad way
i think they are trying to say that poverty is rapidly increasing and there's a sleight of hand where poverty begets crime becomes poverty causes crime and crime requires more police spending. Police spending becomes the solution to poverty as a result.
don't know exactly what that means as a political stance cuz im not sure what is actionable against it but ya
came to post about this
what a f***ing banger
3rd one only acceptable one if u gonna use icons
the fact that it is so difficult to even get started imo is the biggest reason why you should be out there trying to get it started yourself.
read an old interview with richard aoki who formed the black panthers with huey newton and bobby seale. super interesting cuz richard aoki got put on to the red book and gave it to huey who devoured it after malcolm x's autobiography. and then they went from trying to find girls to pimp to going around bars trying to find cadre to form an org. everything starts from nothing and as one of the advanced, I think you're exactly the person to get it started.
one thing id keep in mind too is that right now you're exactly on the right track as history and your conditions demand. Don't feel over obligated to correct laziness or whatever, just move in the direction you know you have to, at a pace that feels enjoyable and comfortable for yourself.
hit me up anytime if you have any questions about anything always open plus i already consider you a friend :)
Appreciate it fam fr
always been a real one
You right i gotta start somewhere, sometimes i feel like comparing where i would start from to them as delusions of grandeur but even if it doesn't end up achieving revolution it doesn't matter
Just gotta chill w the online spectacle take care of myself and come back more focused
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