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  • Scratchin Mamba

    And Soviet support was not even close to what the US did, the Soviets also didn't have their NATO equivalent in Italy to back a military coup, which they planned extensively

    Why are you doing WHATABOUTISM @TragedyGhaddafi

    I don't think that having armed fascists ready to take things over in vase an election doesn't go your way is ever good really.

    I'd have been a communist had I lived in Italy in those times for sure

    In the present moment I do support nato actions to prevent russia expanding into ukraine. Case by case

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    China chipmarket larger than Taiwan now isn't it?

    Is it? I wouldn't be surprised but I hadn't heard that. I wasn't saying that in regards to only chips though, was more in regards to the fact the financial speculators getting scared aren't just in the american sector

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    also on the chip talk should i cop a new laptop right away since i spilt water on my old one

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    SEGA GOON

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    krishna bound

    Is it? I wouldn't be surprised but I hadn't heard that. I wasn't saying that in regards to only chips though, was more in regards to the fact the financial speculators getting scared aren't just in the american sector

    Yeah it very recently became bigger despite the US sanctioning CHYNA's chip market

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Yeah it very recently became bigger despite the US sanctioning CHYNA's chip market

    semiconductors.org/chinas-share-of-global-chip-sales-now-surpasses-taiwan-closing-in-on-europe-and-japan

    okay, i did find this but i wonder what metric they're using? because it shows the US as having like 40% of the worldwide market share which i believe is true in ownership but not in domestic manufacturing

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    krishna bound

    https://www.semiconductors.org/chinas-share-of-global-chip-sales-now-surpasses-taiwan-closing-in-on-europe-and-japan/

    okay, i did find this but i wonder what metric they're using? because it shows the US as having like 40% of the worldwide market share which i believe is true in ownership but not in domestic manufacturing

    I'm not sure I only rly read about it in passing but I wonder how it relates to what you said and if chyna has the upperhand here

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    Womanpuncher69

    also on the chip talk should i cop a new laptop right away since i spilt water on my old one

    im having deja vu rn

  • Jul 22, 2022
    krishna bound

    the reason you don't understand is because you made the assumption US leadership was staffed with smart & rational actors

    I just don't understand technology

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    I'm not sure I only rly read about it in passing but I wonder how it relates to what you said and if chyna has the upperhand here

    china has the upper hand in regards to manufacturing and grip on supply chain but they have the same issue in a very similar scope to the US as far as having issues with overvaluation and a postponed economic correction.

    a lot of youtubers and news sites are trying to click bait and be like "CHINA IS OVER - THE STATE IS FAILING!! (PROOF) (REAL)" because they dont understand that like no the actual issue is China did the inverse of what the US did, massive amounts of Chinese market valuation came from the counterpart of the US's hyper-inflated overvaluations so a correction to the US finance & tech sectors hurt China because of the pairing of the markets.

    This is combined with whatever other domestic issues China has (housing market issue exists but it's massively overplayed by western media for clicks, it's not US 08). China has an upperhand over the US in terms of supply chain & domestic manufacturing but its a little separate since economically they're still largely playing by hegemonic global economic rules and that doesn't matter as much as underlying financials

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    krishna bound

    china has the upper hand in regards to manufacturing and grip on supply chain but they have the same issue in a very similar scope to the US as far as having issues with overvaluation and a postponed economic correction.

    a lot of youtubers and news sites are trying to click bait and be like "CHINA IS OVER - THE STATE IS FAILING!! (PROOF) (REAL)" because they dont understand that like no the actual issue is China did the inverse of what the US did, massive amounts of Chinese market valuation came from the counterpart of the US's hyper-inflated overvaluations so a correction to the US finance & tech sectors hurt China because of the pairing of the markets.

    This is combined with whatever other domestic issues China has (housing market issue exists but it's massively overplayed by western media for clicks, it's not US 08). China has an upperhand over the US in terms of supply chain & domestic manufacturing but its a little separate since economically they're still largely playing by hegemonic global economic rules and that doesn't matter as much as underlying financials

    gonna write a 20 thread twitter post how are China and USA are like in an toxic abusive relationship

  • Jul 22, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    gonna write a 20 thread twitter post how are China and USA are like in an toxic abusive relationship

    gonna be figuring out what astrology signs china and the us represent in a toxic relationship to better convey the dire nature of the economic situation to white women

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    This all has happened before. Many boomer right-wingers were tankies in their youth. In fact, some of most important Bush-era neocons were Trotskyite radicals in the 60's. Same happened in Europe. Universities were full of "student radicals" who later became Reagan and Thatcher supporters. The true radicals of the sixties were killed, sent to prison or became complete outcasts. We are seeing the same thing going on now.

    I think what explains that is that being a communist was sort of phase for many. They do it in order to piss off their parents and because they think it's cool. There is no real substance in it. So, when the tankies then grow up and they have bills to pay, they just turn to capitalism because it can give them money. Deep down they are just selfish persons who usually come from privileged homes and don't give a damn about workers. Being a communist is just something they do for themselves. It makes them feel good about themselves because as tankies they can "trigger the libs" without being homophobic and racist.

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    Scratchin Mamba
    https://twitter.com/FriedrichE49/status/1550286258550689792

    lol i’m always for idpol criticism but 87% of the time it just becomes some reactionary bs

  • Jul 22, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    lol i’m always for idpol criticism but 87% of the time it just becomes some reactionary bs

    Stupidpol syndrome

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    Womanpuncher69

    lol i’m always for idpol criticism but 87% of the time it just becomes some reactionary bs

    when i think about the depth of meandering on the question of what is/isn't counted as identity politics and is/isn't reactionary it makes me consider becoming a third worldist

  • Jul 22, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    This all has happened before. Many boomer right-wingers were tankies in their youth. In fact, some of most important Bush-era neocons were Trotskyite radicals in the 60's. Same happened in Europe. Universities were full of "student radicals" who later became Reagan and Thatcher supporters. The true radicals of the sixties were killed, sent to prison or became complete outcasts. We are seeing the same thing going on now.

    I think what explains that is that being a communist was sort of phase for many. They do it in order to piss off their parents and because they think it's cool. There is no real substance in it. So, when the tankies then grow up and they have bills to pay, they just turn to capitalism because it can give them money. Deep down they are just selfish persons who usually come from privileged homes and don't give a damn about workers. Being a communist is just something they do for themselves. It makes them feel good about themselves because as tankies they can "trigger the libs" without being homophobic and racist.

    being a "communist" is definitely a phase for a lot of these edgy wealthy kids i meet in uni tho. like they'll have a picture of Marx as their phone background, a copy of the Manifesto in their backpack, and like they might post some mutual aid things on their stories. but they're not in a worker or tenant organization/union, they're not well informed, and it feels like they just like to appropriate marxist aesthetics to be different lol

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    space0cadet

    https://monthlyreview.org/2021/07/01/the-political-economy-of-the-u-s-china-technology-war/

    This is a great article

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    Lein

    This is a great article

    Ive been telling folks on this thread to read the entire book/journal/collection of articles (~150 pages) for like a year now. Best book on china ive ever read

  • Jul 22, 2022
    krishna bound

    when i think about the depth of meandering on the question of what is/isn't counted as identity politics and is/isn't reactionary it makes me consider becoming a third worldist

    usually i used identity politics as of focusing on identity without relating it back to class or acknowledging that class is the primary contradiction , and reactionary well on this case s***ting on an oppressed group like the lgbtq+ caricature in that meme which is funny cause the use of other ethnic communists to s*** on em, when for example the filipino maoists were the first one to conduct a gay marriage in asia.

    of course the only way to win these online discourse is to not participate in them cause i rarely ever see s*** like this mattering in real life organizing.

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    space0cadet

    Ive been telling folks on this thread to read the entire book/journal/collection of articles (~150 pages) for like a year now. Best book on china ive ever read

    What's the book?

  • Jul 22, 2022
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    Lein

    What's the book?

    monthlyreview.org/2021/07/01/mr-073-03-2021-07_0
    Talks about socialist transition leading up to present period. China trade war, whether china is imperailist or not.. Lots of great data in here