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  • Jul 16, 2022
    Lein

    Idk much bout WW2 but something that's always bugged me is this

    Why did America support Britain to such an extent that it would enter not one but two world wars and even go so far as to arm the SOVIET UNION, which it was trying to overthrow not too long ago? Mind you this all happened long after the US became the world's biggest economy. What the f*** was that relationship? Help me out yall

    About the first world war: The US was predetermined to be on the UK's side because of its strong financial ties to Britain before the war and the procurements boom during the war (which lifted the US out of a recession) benefitting mostly the Entente due to geography and weak financial connections to the Central Powers, but actually sending troops was contingent because the President, the public and a chunk of congress all happened to be fiercly anti-War. Woodrow Wilson thought he could force a peace by limiting American finance to the Entente. But the refusal of either side to negotiate and Germany's intensifying attacks on American ships amidst the procurements boom made him capitulate and declare war.

  • Jul 16, 2022

    China learns from history like any good Marxist Leninist should. They learned that they can't focus on helping other countries and should help themselves before they help others. Otherwise they will end up in proxy wars and conflicts with the US like the Soviet Union.

    China needs railroads and the machinery and expertise are found in other countries. However other countries won't do business with a communist country so China has to make certain concessions to capitalists from other countries in order to get what they need.

    Just because you trade your wallet for you life during a robbery doesn't mean you support robbery or a a robber yourself. Same thing with China doing business with the capitalist west doesn't mean China isn't communist.

    However most capitalists are liberals and idealists and don't understand materialism so they view communism countries through this idealist lens and essential have dogmatic views of Marxism.

  • Jul 16, 2022
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    Were there any Dengists in the 80s? Dengists today call themselves MLs, but MLs were already off China by the time Deng came to power, so where would they get their support from?

    Were there any prominent communist parties supporting China

  • Jul 16, 2022
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    Remember, politics is very simple: centralized bad, decentralized good

    Planning bad markets good, bc decentralized

    State-backed currency bad bitcoin good, bc decentralized

    Yugoslavia bad, balkanization good, bc decentralized

    Overturning roe v wade good, bc decentralized

    Private healthcare>>>socialized healthcare, bc decentralized

    Confederates good unionists bad, bc decentralized

    SMALL GOOD BIG BAD

  • Jul 16, 2022

    SMALL VS BIG IS THE PRINCIPAL CONTRADICTION

  • Jul 16, 2022
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    Why does Switzerland exist

  • Jul 16, 2022
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    Real

  • Jul 16, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Real

    Feel like s*** just want him back fr

  • Jul 16, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Remember, politics is very simple: centralized bad, decentralized good

    Planning bad markets good, bc decentralized

    State-backed currency bad bitcoin good, bc decentralized

    Yugoslavia bad, balkanization good, bc decentralized

    Overturning roe v wade good, bc decentralized

    Private healthcare>>>socialized healthcare, bc decentralized

    Confederates good unionists bad, bc decentralized

    SMALL GOOD BIG BAD

  • Jul 16, 2022
    deadacc

    honestly sometimes i still cant wrap my head around whether deng was really a 5head genius or an opportunist dumbass that lucked into the worlds greatest chess move or both ngl

    He benefitted from Mao overplaying his cards and having to crawl back to him once no other ally was left and Mao was getting older and sicker

  • Jul 16, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Because they did not do "basically the same thing".

    Cornboys market reforms weakend the Dictature of the Proletariat.

    Dengs reforms are completely in line with the "new Democracy" as formulated by Mao and actually fortyfied the Dictature of the Proletariat and furthered the democratisation of the workplace.

    The people equating them are either ignorant, chauvinist or love their martyr complex and poverty fetish.

    Dengoid brainworms

  • Jul 16, 2022
    fun guy

    krushcev bad socialist cuz ussr failed

    deng good socialist cuz china successful

    The funny part about this argument is that it defines failure solely by whether or not a country keeps it government intact

    Like obviously China under Xi and China under Mao are vastly different

  • Jul 16, 2022
    fun guy

    well actually, marx said that you cant have socialism until you adequately develop the productive forces of society. therefore, china needs 800 billionaires. focus on the revolution in your own country before you try and criticize china you f***ing westoid idiot

    We need 800 billionaires or the USA will kill China

  • Jul 16, 2022
    Lein

    Idk much bout WW2 but something that's always bugged me is this

    Why did America support Britain to such an extent that it would enter not one but two world wars and even go so far as to arm the SOVIET UNION, which it was trying to overthrow not too long ago? Mind you this all happened long after the US became the world's biggest economy. What the f*** was that relationship? Help me out yall

    World War 1: swooping in at the end to share the winner's spoils

    World War 2: Japan forced their hand and Germany was attacking their allies UK and France

    Churchill was always seething about having to work with the Soviets AFAIK

  • Jul 16, 2022
    fun guy

    https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/frueyd/what_do_neoliberals_believe_regarding_us/

    I think intervention has generally been positive. There has of course been pretty serious missteps like Pinochet or Batista, but there’s also been plenty of success, like Korea, Grenada and the DR. Also with my (admittedly limited) understanding of Panama I think that has also been mostly positive, if more mixed.

    Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I think America should become more interventionist, and more hostile to autocracy, regardless of politics. Make the world safe democracy and all that. If Trump wasn’t such an ineffectual and inconsistent idiot that would be some common ground between us.

    Love how they don't even mention Iraq or Afghanistan

  • Jul 16, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Bro these peoples whole ideology rly revolves around free and fair ™ elections

    That shyt funny asf to me ngl

    Quick, whats their "Free Election Barometer Score, Brought To You By Human Rights Watch Dot Org"?

  • Jul 16, 2022
    fun guy

    One of my biggest gripes with my progressive, millennial peers is that they view voting as a one-time event. If things don’t work out immediately, they get discouraged and sit out an election or two.

    It would be better if they instead saw voting as a habit. Conservative boomers understand this, and that is why they win.

  • Jul 16, 2022
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    fun guy

    tbh i dont know jack s*** about how voting works in america

    whats a good book/article or whatever to start

    Democracy for the Few?

    The presidential primaries are really funny there's one caucus (I think Nevada) where they just have to go in the corner of the room to indicate which candidate they support and they do a rough estimate which corner has the most people

    Also there was a coin toss that they manipulated in another state lmfao

  • Jul 16, 2022

    I can't find the coin toss on YouTube did they memory hole it

  • Jul 16, 2022
    SEGA GOON

    The presidential primaries are really funny there's one caucus (I think Nevada) where they just have to go in the corner of the room to indicate which candidate they support and they do a rough estimate which corner has the most people

    Also there was a coin toss that they manipulated in another state lmfao

    Classic

  • Jul 16, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Were there any Dengists in the 80s? Dengists today call themselves MLs, but MLs were already off China by the time Deng came to power, so where would they get their support from?

    Were there any prominent communist parties supporting China

    Dengoids in other countries simply turned social democrat or neoliberal. China can't do it because Mao was still so popular with the people (and still is). That's basically why.

  • Jul 16, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Remember, politics is very simple: centralized bad, decentralized good

    Planning bad markets good, bc decentralized

    State-backed currency bad bitcoin good, bc decentralized

    Yugoslavia bad, balkanization good, bc decentralized

    Overturning roe v wade good, bc decentralized

    Private healthcare>>>socialized healthcare, bc decentralized

    Confederates good unionists bad, bc decentralized

    SMALL GOOD BIG BAD

    My buddy really thought like this

    His ideal form of government would have been local city governments deciding almost everything

    And then there would be a competition between the cities to be better than the other to attract inhabitants and business

  • Jul 16, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Why does Switzerland exist

    You should ask about Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra and San Marino first

  • Jul 16, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Dengoids in other countries simply turned social democrat or neoliberal. China can't do it because Mao was still so popular with the people (and still is). That's basically why.

    But you didn't have communist parties say China was communist and that Deng was carrying out the masterplan right

  • Jul 16, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    But you didn't have communist parties say China was communist and that Deng was carrying out the masterplan right

    A lot of parties turned Maoist in the 70s because supporting China was less controversial than supporting the USSR in the West, since the USSR was their mortal enemy and China was the running dog of Nixon by then

    So when China drifted again a lot of them just abandoned communism, some few turned to Hoxhaism, I think a party or two turned towards Cuba and Castro, and the rest went social democrat

    I read a lot about different parties and I cant recall any Dengoid party in the 80s

    The closest communist party to Dengoidism right now is the Russian Communist Party I think

    Europe has a lot of Maoist-to-neoliberal politicians

    Being a Maoist was very en vogue those days and didn't have the baggage of the USSR, same with being a Trotskyist

    And the pro-USSR parties often had a similar fate of course, turning into generic left-liberal parties