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  • Jul 15, 2022
    krishna bound

    well that's true for sure but thats a little bit different of a sect of politics from what im talking about

    i more mean if you look at "mainstream" populist right figures, like let's take Saagar Enjeti from Breaking Points (or numerous other people occupying his position), People like him will have these big pundit monologues talking about class, and trying to blow up things like political differences among college educated vs those w/o degrees, middle american d*** crises, differing social views in unions vs their representatives, issues with upper class social discourse vs the isolated lower class, misguided inflation discussions due to the bubble politicians live in, etc.

    On the surface, these arguments are not wrong insofar as they're correct that there's a conflict between classes which is largely derivative of class itself. The issue is that they their underlying cares aren't actually about class holistically, it's about class as a proxy for the current alignment of social views. For example, currently, upper bourgeois (mostly) present themselves as being overtly socially liberal in terms of the culture war , whereas this is generally not the case with the lower class (i.e. union coalminer who's family is addicted to opioids flooding the market).

    So if you take the oversimplication of rich = liberal, poor = conservative, people like Enjeti focus on class only because of this distinction, they don't focus on class because of actual class conflict itself. This leads to arguments where it sounds like they're focusing on class a***ysis or conflict, but in reality they're just arguing about the culture war but as it exists along class lines

    Working class is when you say yee haw

  • Jul 15, 2022

    liz bruenig has been getting absolutely obliterated on twitter these past few days you love to see it

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    Scratchin Mamba

    why are so many reddit communists dengists lmao

    is it just a reaction to winnie the pooh posting on there

    ur influence strong af

  • Jul 15, 2022
    spongebob

    ur influence strong af

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    Dengist allegations will be the end of me

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Dengist allegations will be the end of me

    our posts will end up on marxists.org like the letters of trotsky
    luxembourg
    Deng

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Dengist allegations will be the end of me

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    Im crying bro what is this
    What is a socialist mode of production if not socialized production plus a DotP? There is not a single benchmark to distinguish a capitalist from a socialist mode of production. Rather, there is an overall trajectory of numerous systems, primarily those of ownership, distribution and regulation.

    Mao's China over-emphasized the system of ownership, which lead to new contradictions between forces and relations of production, and economic stagnation, which all necessitated the need for increasing productive liberation. Then, during the "wild 90s", China over-emphasized liberating the forces of production, which lead to other contradictions like corruption, distancing between the Party and the masses, and environmental degradation, which all necessitated the need for deepening reform.

    China is still in a phase largely characterized by reform and regulation. None of these ebbs or flows contradict socialist construction or the development of a socialist mode of production.

  • Jul 15, 2022
    spongebob

    our posts will end up on marxists.org like the letters of trotsky
    luxembourg
    Deng

    Inshallah

  • Jul 15, 2022

    There is not a single benchmark to distinguish a capitalist from a socialist mode of production. Rather, there is an overall trajectory of numerous systems, primarily those of ownership, distribution and regulation.

    AI generated Marxist theory

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Im crying bro what is this
    What is a socialist mode of production if not socialized production plus a DotP? There is not a single benchmark to distinguish a capitalist from a socialist mode of production. Rather, there is an overall trajectory of numerous systems, primarily those of ownership, distribution and regulation.

    Mao's China over-emphasized the system of ownership, which lead to new contradictions between forces and relations of production, and economic stagnation, which all necessitated the need for increasing productive liberation. Then, during the "wild 90s", China over-emphasized liberating the forces of production, which lead to other contradictions like corruption, distancing between the Party and the masses, and environmental degradation, which all necessitated the need for deepening reform.

    China is still in a phase largely characterized by reform and regulation. None of these ebbs or flows contradict socialist construction or the development of a socialist mode of production.

    socialism is when the government does stuff but using marxist terminology

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    They mocked reddit atheism and now abortion is banned

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    deadacc

    socialism is when the government does stuff but using marxist terminology

    Bro the wildest shyt to me abt these reddit Dengists is they defend everything Stalin ever did and despise Khrushchev for being a revisionist but ride Deng d***

    I rly wanna understand their logic

  • Jul 15, 2022
    the reds

    They mocked reddit atheism and now abortion is banned

    22nd century history book

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    deadacc

    fr he think it’s jokes but we peeped what he’s been saying this whole time

    Always mentioning “The True Architect” and “maybe some trade liberalization would be good sometimes” s*** like that we know you really mean Deng @Scratchin_Bandit

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Bro the wildest shyt to me abt these reddit Dengists is they defend everything Stalin ever did and despise Khrushchev for being a revisionist but ride Deng d***

    I rly wanna understand their logic

    honestly sometimes i still cant wrap my head around whether deng was really a 5head genius or an opportunist dumbass that lucked into the worlds greatest chess move or both ngl

  • Jul 15, 2022
    spongebob

    fr he think it’s jokes but we peeped what he’s been saying this whole time

    Always mentioning “The True Architect” and “maybe some trade liberalization would be good sometimes” s*** like that we know you really mean Deng @Scratchin_Bandit

    i heard him say "come on man just a little NEP just try it 5 years max" once

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    deadacc

    honestly sometimes i still cant wrap my head around whether deng was really a 5head genius or an opportunist dumbass that lucked into the worlds greatest chess move or both ngl

    Completely different. Kruschev kept the Cold War going full steam ahead . It’s really a false equivocation to put them in the same class of philosophy really.
    If kruschev had opened the USSR up to foreign trade and made the GDP rise as much stalin did , then we could say oh he was like Deng in that he established a long term safety net for his country (although with deng he may he also created an unsolvable demographics problem with the one child policy)
    Kruschev on the other hand did dumb s*** like put nukes on Cuba and then remove them leaving Cuba to be forever embargoed . He was a very trumpian guy I would say, with a big ego. Talking a big game , and then backing down and failing . But that’s who he was , a raised bourgeoise who got into the party young . He left the USSR much worse than he found it, unlike deng , who advanced the class struggle and brought the problems that come with it .

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    Because they did not do "basically the same thing".

    Cornboys market reforms weakend the Dictature of the Proletariat.

    Dengs reforms are completely in line with the "new Democracy" as formulated by Mao and actually fortyfied the Dictature of the Proletariat and furthered the democratisation of the workplace.

    The people equating them are either ignorant, chauvinist or love their martyr complex and poverty fetish.

  • Jul 15, 2022
    fun guy

    dengists believe in great man theory

    china is communist bro just wait for xi to press the big red button.

    Pray for me
    I'm about to hit the YE button

  • Jul 15, 2022

    Xi might have to go and put his Louis on
    I'm 'bout to go Gucci in the Gucci store

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Bro the wildest shyt to me abt these reddit Dengists is they defend everything Stalin ever did and despise Khrushchev for being a revisionist but ride Deng d***

    I rly wanna understand their logic

    krushcev bad socialist cuz ussr failed

    deng good socialist cuz china successful

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    fun guy

    krushcev bad socialist cuz ussr failed

    deng good socialist cuz china successful

    Socialism is when powerful capitalist country

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    Idk much bout WW2 but something that's always bugged me is this

    Why did America support Britain to such an extent that it would enter not one but two world wars and even go so far as to arm the SOVIET UNION, which it was trying to overthrow not too long ago? Mind you this all happened long after the US became the world's biggest economy. What the f*** was that relationship? Help me out yall

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    Scratchin Mamba

    Socialism is when powerful capitalist country

    well actually, marx said that you cant have socialism until you adequately develop the productive forces of society. therefore, china needs 800 billionaires. focus on the revolution in your own country before you try and criticize china you f***ing westoid idiot