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  • Jul 12, 2022
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    deadacc

    "Officers and men of the Red Army! We are entering the country of the enemy. The remaining population in the liberated areas, regardless of whether they’re German, Czech, or Polish, should not be subjected to violence. The perpetrators will be punished according to the laws of war. In the liberated territories, sexual relations with females are not allowed. Perpetrators of violence and rape will be shot.” - J.V. Stalin, Order of the Day, January 19, 1945. literal stalin quote

    Another quote from the book Browder & Kerensky, 1961.

    However, four months later, on July 12th of 1917, the death penalty was restored for all military crimes, murder, rape, and offences against the state committed during war time (Browder & Kerensky, 1961). This measure was adopted by the Provisional government as a result of the deteriorating political and economic situation in Russia due to its unsuccessful participation in WWI and associated civil disturbances

    After the war Soviet officers began mass executing thousands of their own soldiers. The reason? War rape. Almost all Russian WW2 historians support this. One such example is Oleg Rzheshevky.

    According to Oleg Rzheshevsky, a President of the Russian Association of World War II Historians, 4,148 Red Army officers and many soldiers were convicted of atrocities and punished with capital punishment, while only 69 U.S. soldiers were executed.

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    Makhmut Gareev states that he had not even heard about sexual violence. He says that “instances of cruelty, including sexual, occurred”, and that they “simply could not be absent after what the Nazis did” in the USSR, but also states that “such cases were strongly suppressed and punished,” and that “they did not become widespread.” He notes that the Soviet military leadership signed an executive order on 19 January 1945 that demanded the prevention of cruel treatment of the local population.

  • Jul 12, 2022
    deadacc

    Another quote from the book Browder & Kerensky, 1961.

    However, four months later, on July 12th of 1917, the death penalty was restored for all military crimes, murder, rape, and offences against the state committed during war time (Browder & Kerensky, 1961). This measure was adopted by the Provisional government as a result of the deteriorating political and economic situation in Russia due to its unsuccessful participation in WWI and associated civil disturbances

    After the war Soviet officers began mass executing thousands of their own soldiers. The reason? War rape. Almost all Russian WW2 historians support this. One such example is Oleg Rzheshevky.

    According to Oleg Rzheshevsky, a President of the Russian Association of World War II Historians, 4,148 Red Army officers and many soldiers were convicted of atrocities and punished with capital punishment, while only 69 U.S. soldiers were executed.

    And

    Makhmut Gareev states that he had not even heard about sexual violence. He says that “instances of cruelty, including sexual, occurred”, and that they “simply could not be absent after what the Nazis did” in the USSR, but also states that “such cases were strongly suppressed and punished,” and that “they did not become widespread.” He notes that the Soviet military leadership signed an executive order on 19 January 1945 that demanded the prevention of cruel treatment of the local population.

    The myth that Stalin and other high ranking officials at the time ordered the mass rape of civilians of any nation is not only entirely wrong but also had 2 primary origins and one secondary. The two primary origins were Anthony Bivor and goebbels. Goebbels began the myth that the red army was so ruthless and ravenous that they would rape any woman aged 10-70.
    “In all villages and cities, all German women aged 10 to 70 were subjected to countless rapes. the behavior of a Soviet soldier can be seen as an explicit system.”

    This was where the rape of millions myth began. His evidence for the rapes themselves began with him using one unidentified rape as a way to mobilize civilians to rise against the, and I quote, “Russian Mongol savages.” Sadly I no longer have a source for that last part. (as the link I used to use no longer works) Also notice the statement of “The behavior of the Soviet soldiers can be seen as an explicit system.” Direct propaganda.

    Anthony took this a step further.

    However, Bivor surpassed Goebbels. Without any documentary evidence or at least non-anonymous testimony, he states: "According to the estimates of the two main Berlin hospitals, the number of raped Soviet soldiers ranges from 95 to 130 thousand people.“One doctor concluded that only in Berlin some 100,000 women were raped … Apparently, much more if you take into account the 1 million 400 thousand raped in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia. It seems that about two million German women were raped.”

    With no evidence he claimed two million people were raped. TWO MILLION… He is one of the primary source for all western historians… To give you an idea of their validity. He is basically the big black book of Communism but for the Red army.

    Now the secondary source is the book and individual who started the myth that Stalin told his soldiers to start raping. The book and individual in question are, “Conversations with Stalin” by Milovan Djilas. The book was what first stated that Stalin and other officials ordered the rape of civilians. (The book itself being as factual as the black book)

  • Jul 12, 2022
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    Changeofheart

    Please find the sources, I need to know it’s not true

    in essence undeniably rape happened during the war. only the soviets executed their rapists. take it as you will.

  • Jul 12, 2022
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    deadacc

    in essence undeniably rape happened during the war. only the soviets executed their rapists. take it as you will.

    Thanks I feel better now

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    Anyone know the pages where i think is krishna and arcade goon talked about chinese economist sound like reaganists

  • Jul 12, 2022
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    Changeofheart

    Thanks I feel better now

    almost had a change of heart eh

  • Jul 12, 2022
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    anyone know where to find this in english or if there is a translation of it in english

    Henry Bauchau, Essai sur fa vie de Mao Tse-toung,

    name of the book in english is Essay on the life of Mao Tse-Tung

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    Womanpuncher69

    anyone know where to find this in english or if there is a translation of it in english

    Henry Bauchau, Essai sur fa vie de Mao Tse-toung,

    name of the book in english is Essay on the life of Mao Tse-Tung

    Run me 500 bucks and I'll translate it

  • Jul 12, 2022
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    Lein

    Run me 500 bucks and I'll translate it

    what happened to mutual aid comrade ….

  • Jul 12, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    what happened to mutual aid comrade ….

    You wish to exploit his labor?

  • Jul 12, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    what happened to mutual aid comrade ….

    How bout you "mutual"ly participate in the exchange of goods in services in a free market and let the invisible hand "aid" you both? 🙄

  • Jul 12, 2022
    krishna bound

  • Jul 12, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    Anyone know the pages where i think is krishna and arcade goon talked about chinese economist sound like reaganists

    ktt2.com/socialism-thread-702/308

    P 308 onwards

  • Jul 12, 2022
    krishna bound

  • Jul 12, 2022
    krishna bound





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    Wild page

  • Jul 12, 2022
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    How would it have changed cold war dynamics if Russia never sold Alaska to the US

  • Jul 12, 2022
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    If Putin was a real one he would try to take back Alaska not eastern Ukraine

  • Jul 12, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    If Putin was a real one he would try to take back Alaska not eastern Ukraine

    At this point if he cuts a god enough deal w western corps it wouldn’t be batshit insane

    Insane sure. Not batshit

  • Jul 12, 2022

    Apologia for their colonial past rly is crayz in europe tbh

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    Jul 12, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    How would it have changed cold war dynamics if Russia never sold Alaska to the US

    the alaskan missile crisis

  • Jul 12, 2022
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    @spongebob feel like you’d love this bit of the Paris Commune

    “After the March 18 rebellion, Zhang noted that not only were all the qualified men required to serve in the national guards, but Paris women also played a vital role. “Some of them took part in making powder, some made cloth bags and filled them with sands and stones to build fortresses and batteries, and those good at literature and writing volunteered to draft official notices and announcements.” With an exclamation of surprise, Zhang Deyi found that some of the Paris women even fought in the battle fields and behaved even more courageously than the men.”

    “Among them there are two lines of female prisoners. Although their clothes and shoes are broken and their faces are stained with dust, their foreheads show a brave spirit... Now several hundred female fighters are captured. According to their confessions in court, most the actions, like arson and resisting of arrest, were taken on the women’s initiative. Yesterday, the court ordered those major female culprits to be shot while the rest of them are to be exiled to New Caledonia.”