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  • Jul 7, 2022
    Lein

    Some thoughts on nationalism

    Its well intentioned but I hate when western leftists go "nationalism is bad but it's okay from the third world", thats way too reductive. In anti-colonial struggles you have to compromise with it because it's sort of inevitable and the other option is being pro-imperialist, and you cant be pro-imperialism without being a first world nationalist yourself anyways. Its a cancer on leftist movements everywhere on earth and the primary vehicle for all forms of reactionary politics. It's like a weapon you eventually need to get rid of or a hunting dog that you need to monitor before they start eating your hunting equipment (terrible a***ogies I know). How exactly is that done who knows, most communist parties struggle/struggled with this to some success and some failures. And at the end of the day without an international revolution of course there's gonna be limits on the reins you can put on nationalism, since you have literally become a nation state.

    This is all true but if Europe and North America were nuked out of existence I'd consider that an acceptable alternative to world communism.

  • Jul 7, 2022
    Lein

    Some thoughts on nationalism

    Its well intentioned but I hate when western leftists go "nationalism is bad but it's okay from the third world", thats way too reductive. In anti-colonial struggles you have to compromise with it because it's sort of inevitable and the other option is being pro-imperialist, and you cant be pro-imperialism without being a first world nationalist yourself anyways. Its a cancer on leftist movements everywhere on earth and the primary vehicle for all forms of reactionary politics. It's like a weapon you eventually need to get rid of or a hunting dog that you need to monitor before they start eating your hunting equipment (terrible a***ogies I know). How exactly is that done who knows, most communist parties struggle/struggled with this to some success and some failures. And at the end of the day without an international revolution of course there's gonna be limits on the reins you can put on nationalism, since you have literally become a nation state.

    It rly depends tho

    Cuban nationalism and national identity is very much linked to their internationalism which is LIONED

    Also sometimes in African countries nationalism can be seen similarly as a compromise if you will when the other alternative is constant tribal conflict

  • Jul 7, 2022

    Comrade West once said like old folks pissing I guess it all depends

  • Jul 7, 2022
    americana

    Lenin’s a much easier read if you’re still interested

    I loved reading the manifesto tho tbh shyt poetic asf

  • Jul 7, 2022
    rami

    got the manifesto

    some of the language is annoying but whatever

    if its too wordy try reading the Principles of Communism by Engels is pretty short and will make the manifesto easier to understand i think

  • Jul 7, 2022
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    Reading how Americans post about Europe is so bewildering bro. Their country is so garbage you don't even have to point to a socialist alternative, even other capitalist countries that were fascist sweatshops not too long ago do better for their citizens. I'm canadian, my country is just three companies in a trenchcoat but at least I can see the doctor and theres a fake socdem party to vote for. Americans don't even have liberal democracy, their Bourgeois won't even grant them that. They die younger than damn near every other rich country cuz the food is poison they can't walk anywhere and they have no healthcare. Anybody can just randomly get a gun and kill like 10 people while the police just stand there. All infrastructure is crumbling down because it was built in the 1930s. All this in the richest most powerful country of all time, and lotta poorer less powerful countries actually have it better. Portugal just got out the neolithic, they probably didn't even have agriculture till like 50 years ago so why do they have a more paid vacation days than you? How is it that everytime this is pointed out, Americans are more mad at Europeans for being smug about it than they are mad at their political elite? No other people are more buckbroken and propagandized. There would be a Tiananmen Square every day if the Chinese government behaved like the US government. Hopefully the summer 2020 protests aren't the height of resistance against this bullshit.

  • Jul 7, 2022
    Lein

    Reading how Americans post about Europe is so bewildering bro. Their country is so garbage you don't even have to point to a socialist alternative, even other capitalist countries that were fascist sweatshops not too long ago do better for their citizens. I'm canadian, my country is just three companies in a trenchcoat but at least I can see the doctor and theres a fake socdem party to vote for. Americans don't even have liberal democracy, their Bourgeois won't even grant them that. They die younger than damn near every other rich country cuz the food is poison they can't walk anywhere and they have no healthcare. Anybody can just randomly get a gun and kill like 10 people while the police just stand there. All infrastructure is crumbling down because it was built in the 1930s. All this in the richest most powerful country of all time, and lotta poorer less powerful countries actually have it better. Portugal just got out the neolithic, they probably didn't even have agriculture till like 50 years ago so why do they have a more paid vacation days than you? How is it that everytime this is pointed out, Americans are more mad at Europeans for being smug about it than they are mad at their political elite? No other people are more buckbroken and propagandized. There would be a Tiananmen Square every day if the Chinese government behaved like the US government. Hopefully the summer 2020 protests aren't the height of resistance against this bullshit.

  • Jul 7, 2022
    Lein

    Some thoughts on nationalism

    Its well intentioned but I hate when western leftists go "nationalism is bad but it's okay from the third world", thats way too reductive. In anti-colonial struggles you have to compromise with it because it's sort of inevitable and the other option is being pro-imperialist, and you cant be pro-imperialism without being a first world nationalist yourself anyways. Its a cancer on leftist movements everywhere on earth and the primary vehicle for all forms of reactionary politics. It's like a weapon you eventually need to get rid of or a hunting dog that you need to monitor before they start eating your hunting equipment (terrible a***ogies I know). How exactly is that done who knows, most communist parties struggle/struggled with this to some success and some failures. And at the end of the day without an international revolution of course there's gonna be limits on the reins you can put on nationalism, since you have literally become a nation state.

    Nationalism is okay until you are a strong enough country to affect other ones. It's still okay if the nations you influence are also affecting you in negative ways, and especially if they are doing so to a higher degree. Id claim African Nationalism has generally been a positive over history

  • Jul 7, 2022
    Lein

    Reading how Americans post about Europe is so bewildering bro. Their country is so garbage you don't even have to point to a socialist alternative, even other capitalist countries that were fascist sweatshops not too long ago do better for their citizens. I'm canadian, my country is just three companies in a trenchcoat but at least I can see the doctor and theres a fake socdem party to vote for. Americans don't even have liberal democracy, their Bourgeois won't even grant them that. They die younger than damn near every other rich country cuz the food is poison they can't walk anywhere and they have no healthcare. Anybody can just randomly get a gun and kill like 10 people while the police just stand there. All infrastructure is crumbling down because it was built in the 1930s. All this in the richest most powerful country of all time, and lotta poorer less powerful countries actually have it better. Portugal just got out the neolithic, they probably didn't even have agriculture till like 50 years ago so why do they have a more paid vacation days than you? How is it that everytime this is pointed out, Americans are more mad at Europeans for being smug about it than they are mad at their political elite? No other people are more buckbroken and propagandized. There would be a Tiananmen Square every day if the Chinese government behaved like the US government. Hopefully the summer 2020 protests aren't the height of resistance against this bullshit.

    "Portugal just got out the neolithic, they probably didn't even have agriculture till like 50 years ago"

  • Jul 7, 2022

    AFTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES that I have just recalled, it is no doubt the quickly acquired habit of drinking that has marked my entire life. Wines, spirits and beers: the moments when some of them became essential and the moments when they returned have traced out the main course and meanders of days, weeks and years. Two or three other passions, which I will talk about, have almost continually taken up a lot of space in this life. But drinking has been the most constant and the most present. Among the small number of things that I have liked and known how to do well, what I have assuredly known how to do best is drink. Even though I have read a lot, I have drunk even more. I have written much less than most people who write; but I have drunk much more than most people who drink. I can count myself among those of whom Baltasar Gracián, thinking about an elite distinguishable only among the Germans — but here very unfair, to the detriment of the French, as I think I have shown — could say: “There are those who have got drunk only once, but it has lasted them a lifetime.”

    Furthermore, I am a little surprised — I who have had to read so often the most extravagant calumnies or unjust criticisms of myself — to see that a total of thirty years or more have passed without some malcontent ever instancing my drunkenness as an argument, at least implicitly, against my scandalous ideas — with the one, belated exception of a piece by some d*** addicts in England who revealed around 1980 that I was destroyed by alcohol and had thus ceased to be harmful. I never dreamed for an instant of hiding this perhaps questionable side of my personality, and it was there beyond doubt for all those who met me more than once or twice. I can even note that it has sufficed me on each occasion a rather few days in order to be highly regarded, in Venice as in Cadiz, and in Hamburg as in Lisbon, by the people I have met only by frequenting certain cafés.

    First, like everyone, I appreciated the effect of slight drunkenness; then very soon I grew to like what lies beyond violent drunkenness, when one has passed that stage: a magnificent and terrible peace, the true taste of the passage of time. Although in the first decades I may have allowed only slight indications to appear once or twice a week, it is a fact that I have been continuously drunk for periods of several months; and the rest of the time, I still drank a lot.

    An air of disorder in the great variety of emptied bottles nevertheless remains susceptible to an a posteriori classification. First, I can distinguish between the drinks I consumed in their countries of origin and those I consumed in Paris; but almost everything there was to drink was to be had in Paris in the middle of the century. Everywhere, the premises can be subdivided simply between what I drank at home, or at friends’, or in cafés, cellars, bars, restaurants, or in the streets, notably on café terraces.

    The hours and their shifting conditions almost always retain a determining role in the necessary renewal of the moments of a spree, and each brings its sensible preference to bear on the available possibilities. There is what is drunk in the mornings, and for a long while that was beer. In Cannery Row a character who one could tell was a connoisseur professes that “there’s nothing like that first taste of beer.” But I have often needed, at the moment of waking, Russian vodka. There is what is drunk with meals, and in the afternoons that stretch between them. There is wine some nights, along with spirits, and after that beer is pleasant again — for then beer makes one thirsty. There is what is drunk at the end of the night, at the moment when the day begins anew. It is understood that all this has left me very little time for writing, and that is exactly as it should be: writing should remain a rare thing, since one must have drunk for a long time before finding excellence.

    I have wandered extensively in several great European cities, and I appreciated everything that deserved it. The catalogue on this subject could be vast. There were the beers of England, where mild and bitter were mixed in pints; the big schooners of Munich; and the Irish; and the most classical, the Czech beer of Pilsen; and the admirable baroquism of the Gueuze around Brussels, when it had its distinct flavour in each artisanal brasserie and did not travel well. There were the fruit liqueurs of Alsace; the rum of Jamaica; the punches, the aquavit of Aalborg, and the grappa of Turin, cognac, cocktails; the incomparable mezcal of Mexico. There were all the wines of France, the loveliest coming from Burgundy; there were the wines of Italy, and especially the Barolos of Langhe, the Chiantis of Tuscany; there were the wines of Spain, the Riojas of Old Castille or the Jumilla of Murcia.

    I would have had very few illnesses if alcohol had not in the end brought me some; from insomnia to vertigo, by way of gout. “Beautiful as the trembling of the hands in alcoholism,” said Lautréamont. There are mornings that are stirring but difficult.

    “It is better to hide one’s folly, but that is difficult in debauchery or drunkenness,” thought Heraclitus. And yet Machiavelli wrote to Francesco Vettori: “Anybody reading our letters . . . would think that sometimes we are serious people entirely devoted to great things, that our hearts cannot conceive any thought that is not honourable and grand. But then, as they turned the page, we would seem light, inconstant, lustful, entirely devoted to vanities. And even if someone judges this way of life shameful, I find it praiseworthy, for we imitate nature, which is changeable.” Vauvenargues formulated a rule too often forgotten: “In order to decide that an author contradicts himself, it must be impossible to conciliate him.”

    Moreover, some of my reasons for drinking are respectable. Like Li Po, I can indeed nobly claim: “For thirty years, I’ve hidden my fame in taverns.”

    The majority of wines, almost all spirits, and every one of the beers whose memory I have evoked here have today completely lost their tastes — first on the world market and then locally — with the progress of industry as well as the disappearance or economic re-education of the social classes that had long remained independent of large industrial production, and so too of the various regulations that now prohibit virtually anything that is not industrially produced. The bottles, so that they can still be sold, have faithfully retained their labels; this attention to detail provides the assurance that one can photograph them as they used to be, not drink them.

    Neither I nor the people who drank with me have at any moment felt embarrassed by our excesses. “At the banquet of life” — good guests there, at least — we took a seat without thinking even for an instant that what we were drinking with such prodigality would not subsequently be replenished for those who would come after us. In drinking memory, no one had ever imagined that he would see drink pass away before the drinker.

    • Guy Debord
  • Jul 7, 2022
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    Guess what he died of/killed himself about

  • Jul 7, 2022

    NGL the TYT 2016 Election Meltdown video is pretty funny in hindsight

  • Jul 7, 2022
    SEGA GOON

    Guess what he died of/killed himself about

    Too woke

  • another one

  • Jul 7, 2022
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    Lein

    Reading how Americans post about Europe is so bewildering bro. Their country is so garbage you don't even have to point to a socialist alternative, even other capitalist countries that were fascist sweatshops not too long ago do better for their citizens. I'm canadian, my country is just three companies in a trenchcoat but at least I can see the doctor and theres a fake socdem party to vote for. Americans don't even have liberal democracy, their Bourgeois won't even grant them that. They die younger than damn near every other rich country cuz the food is poison they can't walk anywhere and they have no healthcare. Anybody can just randomly get a gun and kill like 10 people while the police just stand there. All infrastructure is crumbling down because it was built in the 1930s. All this in the richest most powerful country of all time, and lotta poorer less powerful countries actually have it better. Portugal just got out the neolithic, they probably didn't even have agriculture till like 50 years ago so why do they have a more paid vacation days than you? How is it that everytime this is pointed out, Americans are more mad at Europeans for being smug about it than they are mad at their political elite? No other people are more buckbroken and propagandized. There would be a Tiananmen Square every day if the Chinese government behaved like the US government. Hopefully the summer 2020 protests aren't the height of resistance against this bullshit.

    I'm canadian, my country is just three companies in a trenchcoat

    what r they

  • Jul 7, 2022
    fun guy

    I'm canadian, my country is just three companies in a trenchcoat

    what r they

    tim hortons, drake, justin bieber

  • Jul 7, 2022
    fun guy

    I'm canadian, my country is just three companies in a trenchcoat

    what r they

    Nutrien Barrick and Teck

  • Jul 7, 2022
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    What is the Newsom Regime cooking?

  • Jul 8, 2022
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    Lein

    What is the Newsom Regime cooking?

    someone post that one twitter anarchist saying his village will make insulin

  • Jul 8, 2022
    rami

    got the manifesto

    some of the language is annoying but whatever

    Welcome fam. Please feel free to post if you have questions !

  • Jul 8, 2022
    Lein

    What is the Newsom Regime cooking?

    Dengist California secessionism

  • Jul 8, 2022
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    space0cadet

    someone post that one twitter anarchist saying his village will make insulin

    This is public enemy #1 of the Republic of California

  • Jul 8, 2022
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    Lein

    What is the Newsom Regime cooking?

    Thinking about it, it could probably be its own country tbh. Of course nobody wants to secede and the feds would never let it happen anyways but it's got great prospects as it's own country.

  • Jul 8, 2022
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