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  • Jun 30, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Which all hinges on how narrow "policy law" is interpreted

    Whoever the f*** chose to have a foundation of this country be the “interpretation” of a quarter-millennium old document is ridiculous

  • Jun 30, 2022

    A four page long compromisary document meant as a stopgap solution to colonizers fighting over trade is being treated as a dogmatic religious object it’s insane

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    americana

    Whoever the f*** chose to have a foundation of this country be the “interpretation” of a quarter-millennium old document is ridiculous

    thats basically every country

  • Jun 30, 2022
    americana

    Whoever the f*** chose to have a foundation of this country be the “interpretation” of a quarter-millennium old document is ridiculous

    Thats the legal system since babylon playa...of course the legal system will just reflect whatever class is in power and which ideas are en vogue amongst them. The USA is unique tho in how old the constitution is and how literal they take it.

  • Jun 30, 2022

    German Empire, Weimar Germany, Nazi Germany, East Germany, West Germany all had the same civil law book (East Germany replaced it later). This should show you how adaptable law is to the power of judges and lawyers

  • Jun 30, 2022

    Nazi Germany and Weimar Germany even had the same constitution lol

  • Jun 30, 2022
    krishna bound

    thats basically every country

    In many countries the constitution is rly not even that important

    In the Netherlands EU law>constitution for example

  • Jun 30, 2022
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    Also as always shoutout to Cuba

    Held 133k assemblies writing the 2019 constitution

    783k proposals for amendments

    8.9 million Cubans involved in the process

    Powerful

  • Jun 30, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    Also as always shoutout to Cuba

    Held 133k assemblies writing the 2019 constitution

    783k proposals for amendments

    8.9 million Cubans involved in the process

    Powerful

    ay got a link to sources on their rectification campaigns i just finished reading through the ones that happened in China before the great leap forward and interested in comparing em

  • You would think when half the states seceded and 4 million slaves were freed that would've been a good time to reevaluate the constitution as a whole but instead they just slapped on a half baked amendment that ALMOST bans slavery and called the job done.

  • Jun 30, 2022
    Womanpuncher69

    ay got a link to sources on their rectification campaigns i just finished reading through the ones that happened in China before the great leap forward and interested in comparing em

    This speech is most relevant to understand the ideological motives behind it. Also kinda DEBOONKS some of the people that say Che was the real communist and Fidel fake bc during this time the government of Cuba spread a compilation of Che's critique of USSR economic policy as well

    idcommunism.com/2016/06/fidel-castro-ches-ideas-are-absolutely.html?m=1

    For more specifics on the policy:

    jstor.org/stable/23599761?seq=13

  • Nort 💫
    Jun 30, 2022
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    I’m back w another question;

    I’m curious to know how the ML’s itt expect the state to eventually dissolve itself if a vanguard party was to take power

  • Jun 30, 2022
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    Nort

    I’m back w another question;

    I’m curious to know how the ML’s itt expect the state to eventually dissolve itself if a vanguard party was to take power

    Socialism is a transitional period both in terms of economics and politics. As the economy marches towards communism, the politics will typically follow suit.

    There will be less need to control and command the more engrained the socialist culture is. The more educated and conscious the population becomes, the less susceptible they will become to capitalist propaganda and the more they can manage affairs in their own hands. Cuba shows many examples of this democratization-transition.

    More and more decisions can be deferred to the people and their committees, the party will eventually just have a guiding role. Economic plans and workplace affairs can be voted upon. Political decisions can be decided in councils filled by sortition (random selection of people, like jury duty in the USA). The vanguard would only be needed as an oversight in the sortition councils and the ones preparing the voting options for the economic plans.

    Eventually, the state would just be a mechanism for administration, not a legal power standing over the people, and thus will have withered away.

    And when everyone is part of the state and its power, then no one is part of the state, since this distinction becomes meaningless.

    The state will be local and will be mundane. It won't even be recognizable as a state anymore.

  • Jun 30, 2022
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    this gotta be the absolute worst discourse to enter the internet poisoned irony circle in a long time

  • Nort 💫
    Jun 30, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    Socialism is a transitional period both in terms of economics and politics. As the economy marches towards communism, the politics will typically follow suit.

    There will be less need to control and command the more engrained the socialist culture is. The more educated and conscious the population becomes, the less susceptible they will become to capitalist propaganda and the more they can manage affairs in their own hands. Cuba shows many examples of this democratization-transition.

    More and more decisions can be deferred to the people and their committees, the party will eventually just have a guiding role. Economic plans and workplace affairs can be voted upon. Political decisions can be decided in councils filled by sortition (random selection of people, like jury duty in the USA). The vanguard would only be needed as an oversight in the sortition councils and the ones preparing the voting options for the economic plans.

    Eventually, the state would just be a mechanism for administration, not a legal power standing over the people, and thus will have withered away.

    And when everyone is part of the state and its power, then no one is part of the state, since this distinction becomes meaningless.

    The state will be local and will be mundane. It won't even be recognizable as a state anymore.

    Thank you for this it really helped me understand.

    I’m curious to know more about this “democratization-transition” in Cuba

  • Jun 30, 2022
    Nort

    Thank you for this it really helped me understand.

    I’m curious to know more about this “democratization-transition” in Cuba

    I'm your guy holup

  • Jun 30, 2022
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    Nort

    Thank you for this it really helped me understand.

    I’m curious to know more about this “democratization-transition” in Cuba

    google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/08854300.2021.2050346&ved=2ahUKEwj9n-CNx634AhVqMewKHR1iDWU4FBAWegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1KK7yh5ElHov9mgR93tjY8

  • Jun 30, 2022
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    krishna bound
    https://twitter.com/BruhMomentsLTD/status/1542498101822312449

    this gotta be the absolute worst discourse to enter the internet poisoned irony circle in a long time

    How do you do fellow Latinxs

  • Jun 30, 2022
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    Nort

    Thank you for this it really helped me understand.

    I’m curious to know more about this “democratization-transition” in Cuba

    You're welcome Gary "Green River Killer" Ridgway

  • Jun 30, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    Cuba avoided many of the problems the USSR had because of bureaucracy not just through elections but direct democracy mass organizations, which have an even greater input in both the writing and implementation of Cuba's legislation than the national assembly:




    @ryder

  • Jun 30, 2022
    Scratchin Mamba

    From an academic paper on popular participation in Cuba's political system which looked at how the 2016-2021 five year plan was written:


    163k assemblies
    8.9m people attending
    579k contributions

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/08854300.2021.2050346&ved=2ahUKEwj9n-CNx634AhVqMewKHR1iDWU4FBAWegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1KK7yh5ElHov9mgR93tjY8

    @Womanpuncher69

    @ryder

  • Jun 30, 2022
    SEGA GOON

  • Nort 💫
    Jun 30, 2022
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    SEGA GOON

    You're welcome Gary "Green River Killer" Ridgway

    no clue what this is in reference to but yeah thank you

  • Nort 💫
    Jun 30, 2022
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    Scratchin Mamba

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/08854300.2021.2050346&ved=2ahUKEwj9n-CNx634AhVqMewKHR1iDWU4FBAWegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1KK7yh5ElHov9mgR93tjY8

    this is a lot of reading oh man I ran outta concerta today too

  • Jun 30, 2022
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    Nort

    this is a lot of reading oh man I ran outta concerta today too

    Pray u catch that hyperfocus then eh