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    Much agreed comrade, however the growing movement against the racialist falsification of history, despite increasingly desperate denial from the pseudo-left Pabloite revisionist renegades, is striking fear into the hearts of the global imperialist monopoly bourgeoisie. Global capitalism, now more than 80 years into its terminal death agony, can only be transcended through the fulfillment of the objective historical revolutionary role of the proletariat. The emancipation of the proletariat must be the act of the proletariat itself - under the sole leadership, of course, of the one true world party of socialist revolution, the International Committee of the Fourth International. In their steadfast struggle against all forms of pseudo-left vulgarizations of revolutionary Marxism, David North and the SEP have won the Rank and File proletariat to a genuine Marxist program. The contradictions of global imperialism threaten a Third World War fought with nuclear weapons, and therefore the fate of not just the working class, but the human species itself, depends on resolutely exposing the Pabloites, Grantites, Cliffites, Healyites, Hansenites, Wohlforthites, Mandelites, Steinerites, and all other forms of counter-revolutionary opportunism blocking the path to left unity and planetary proletarian revolution. We urge all workers, youth, and intellectuals stirred by this call to action to unite in the Rank and File Committees and to contact the International Committee today.

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    looks like the billionaire taxes in china are still going strong https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7ny3x/chinese-billionaires-xi-xinping-crackdown
    "Why Are Chinese Billionaires $500 Billion Poorer Than Last Year?

    It’s been a bad year for Kate Wang. Things were looking bright in January 2021 when the Chinese businesswoman’s vaping company listed on the New York Stock Exchange. By the end of the day, the then-41-year-old was worth $9 billion.

    But today, her net worth sits at $500 million—a still sizable but increasingly imperiled fortune, with RLX Technology’s market value plummeting as it has come under increasing scrutiny from Chinese tobacco regulators.

    Wang is not alone, and represents just one of the 87 Chinese citizens to have crashed off of this year’s Forbes billionaire list in the wake of a government crackdown on tech companies in the country over the past year. In total, Chinese billionaires are more than $500 billion poorer than they were a year ago, down from a collective wealth of $2.5 trillion in 2021 to $1.96 trillion today, according to the annual index released on Wednesday.

    Of the 10 worst hit billionaires—those who saw their net worth shrink the most—eight were from China, with two Chinese education entrepreneurs taking the biggest hit to their fortunes of anyone globally.

    This time last year, Zhang Bangxin of TAL Education was worth $13.3 billion. Today, his wealth has plummeted 94 percent, and he is worth $890 million. Likewise, Larry Xiangdong Chen, founder of industry rival GSX Techedu, lost $15 billion in just six months between January and July last year, and is now worth a reported $235 million.

    This dramatic fall in wealth was the result of a Chinese government crackdown on the country’s after-school tutoring industry, which it accused of causing unnecessary stress to young children. In July, Beijing upended one of the country’s most lucrative sectors as it announced a sweeping ban on for-profit classes run by tutoring institutes on academic subjects like mathematics, English, and science.

    Billionaires falling afoul of Chinese regulators is no accident, and has come as President Xi Xinping has spoken publicly in recent months of curbing “excessive” wealth in China in pursuit of “common prosperity.” Besides the education sector, internet companies have also found themselves in regulatory crosshairs, with online retail giant Alibaba handed a $3.7 billion fine in April last year for monopolistic practices."

    love to see it and these f***ing ex-billionaires crying about it. mfs crying about having 890 million f***ing dollars

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    deadacc

    looks like the billionaire taxes in china are still going strong https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7ny3x/chinese-billionaires-xi-xinping-crackdown
    "Why Are Chinese Billionaires $500 Billion Poorer Than Last Year?

    It’s been a bad year for Kate Wang. Things were looking bright in January 2021 when the Chinese businesswoman’s vaping company listed on the New York Stock Exchange. By the end of the day, the then-41-year-old was worth $9 billion.

    But today, her net worth sits at $500 million—a still sizable but increasingly imperiled fortune, with RLX Technology’s market value plummeting as it has come under increasing scrutiny from Chinese tobacco regulators.

    Wang is not alone, and represents just one of the 87 Chinese citizens to have crashed off of this year’s Forbes billionaire list in the wake of a government crackdown on tech companies in the country over the past year. In total, Chinese billionaires are more than $500 billion poorer than they were a year ago, down from a collective wealth of $2.5 trillion in 2021 to $1.96 trillion today, according to the annual index released on Wednesday.

    Of the 10 worst hit billionaires—those who saw their net worth shrink the most—eight were from China, with two Chinese education entrepreneurs taking the biggest hit to their fortunes of anyone globally.

    This time last year, Zhang Bangxin of TAL Education was worth $13.3 billion. Today, his wealth has plummeted 94 percent, and he is worth $890 million. Likewise, Larry Xiangdong Chen, founder of industry rival GSX Techedu, lost $15 billion in just six months between January and July last year, and is now worth a reported $235 million.

    This dramatic fall in wealth was the result of a Chinese government crackdown on the country’s after-school tutoring industry, which it accused of causing unnecessary stress to young children. In July, Beijing upended one of the country’s most lucrative sectors as it announced a sweeping ban on for-profit classes run by tutoring institutes on academic subjects like mathematics, English, and science.

    Billionaires falling afoul of Chinese regulators is no accident, and has come as President Xi Xinping has spoken publicly in recent months of curbing “excessive” wealth in China in pursuit of “common prosperity.” Besides the education sector, internet companies have also found themselves in regulatory crosshairs, with online retail giant Alibaba handed a $3.7 billion fine in April last year for monopolistic practices."

    love to see it and these f***ing ex-billionaires crying about it. mfs crying about having 890 million f***ing dollars

    Incredible things are happening in China

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    Great discussion, never heard of Vivek before but he makes a lot of sense.

    I do agree with him that Western Marxists kind of have overestimated the role of ideology as a cause of preventing collective action and underestimate the individualist material incentives against collective action in the class structure itself.

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    Great discussion, never heard of Vivek before but he makes a lot of sense.

    I do agree with him that Western Marxists kind of have overestimated the role of ideology as a cause of preventing collective action and underestimate the individualist material incentives against collective action in the class structure itself.

    !https://youtu.be/rLNSzxzEbKU

    did they mention in the video about social or religious norms or beliefs? since its like an hour and a half i dont have time to watch it but i'd like to know how they contrasted this stuff with material incentives

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    did they mention in the video about social or religious norms or beliefs? since its like an hour and a half i dont have time to watch it but i'd like to know how they contrasted this stuff with material incentives

    I'm like an hour in and they haven't talked about that yet

    Interesting bit about third worldism around 36 mins tho apparently Zizek beefing with his maoist friend

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    I'm like an hour in and they haven't talked about that yet

    Interesting bit about third worldism around 36 mins tho apparently Zizek beefing with his maoist friend

    i mean i know what the reason is really but i wish in western leftist circles it wasn't so taboo to talk about the contrast of social norms and material incentives. the only people who do this at this point are either schizos like Aimee or like people on twitter who's belief system is just hating liberals and saying "i'm a leftist but i hate the left!" over and over

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    i mean i know what the reason is really but i wish in western leftist circles it wasn't so taboo to talk about the contrast of social norms and material incentives. the only people who do this at this point are either schizos like Aimee or like people on twitter who's belief system is just hating liberals and saying "i'm a leftist but i hate the left!" over and over

    What exactly do you mean by the contrasts of social norms and material incentives?

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    Scratchin Mamba

    What exactly do you mean by the contrasts of social norms and material incentives?

    it's like how what people themselves can interpret (whether actively or latently) as incentives, behaviors, or predicted outcomes within their own lives can largely be connected to what environmental/societal values they individualize and thus how they can interpret what conditions return what prospects. so in more practical terms it can be how the view of a social/material dialectic is skewed in interpretation based on what pre-existing ideas exist in the people conceptualizing it (again actively or unconsciously)

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    it's like how what people themselves can interpret (whether actively or latently) as incentives, behaviors, or predicted outcomes within their own lives can largely be connected to what environmental/societal values they individualize and thus how they can interpret what conditions return what prospects. so in more practical terms it can be how the view of a social/material dialectic is skewed in interpretation based on what pre-existing ideas exist in the people conceptualizing it (again actively or unconsciously)

    I mean isn't that just pretty much ideology if i understand ur post correctly

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    Scratchin Mamba

    I mean isn't that just pretty much ideology if i understand ur post correctly

    it's more like the conditions that effect how people can begin to even interpret ideology or interact on mutual grounds. like you wouldn't say someone's definition of a concrete term like "what is a road" is an ideology, but what people think about what a "road" is diverges; it's going to be different if someone grew up in a rural area w/ dirt roads vs if they grew up in a city with paved avenues for example. i'm saying that type of latent differentiation happens on virtually everything and isn't intrinsically ideological per-se but is meaningful to discuss

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    krishna bound

    it's more like the conditions that effect how people can begin to even interpret ideology or interact on mutual grounds. like you wouldn't say someone's definition of a concrete term like "what is a road" is an ideology, but what people think about what a "road" is diverges; it's going to be different if someone grew up in a rural area w/ dirt roads vs if they grew up in a city with paved avenues for example. i'm saying that type of latent differentiation happens on virtually everything and isn't intrinsically ideological per-se but is meaningful to discuss

    I see what you mean, but don't leftists talk about how socialization in different environments gives you a different lens through which you interpret things a lot already? What makes you say only types like Aimee do

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    I see what you mean, but don't leftists talk about how socialization in different environments gives you a different lens through which you interpret things a lot already? What makes you say only types like Aimee do

    Oh, to be clear I don't think people like Aimee bring this stuff up in good faith or anything - i don't even think they really hit this stuff on the head on purpose, it's just schizo rambling which gets pushed into deconstructionism which then inherently gets back to this.
    I think the issue with how many leftists approach socialization is that it's approached in a manner of either condescension (often assuming their socialization is superior and must be evangelized - defeating the purpose of their actual goals otherwise) or in a way just attached to academic/book club theoreticals rather than anything related to praxis (or at least self-reflection). I think the point is that socialization isn't solely ideologically influential, it does actually effect the ability to understand what material conditions are or would be, and most discussion about this just comes down to arbitrary social debates rather than extrapolation of this into any wider forms of action or meaning

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    you ever get so far into the schizo realm of conspiracies you find whackos who just lose track of who they're actually defending and arguing against

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    krishna bound

    Oh, to be clear I don't think people like Aimee bring this stuff up in good faith or anything - i don't even think they really hit this stuff on the head on purpose, it's just schizo rambling which gets pushed into deconstructionism which then inherently gets back to this.
    I think the issue with how many leftists approach socialization is that it's approached in a manner of either condescension (often assuming their socialization is superior and must be evangelized - defeating the purpose of their actual goals otherwise) or in a way just attached to academic/book club theoreticals rather than anything related to praxis (or at least self-reflection). I think the point is that socialization isn't solely ideologically influential, it does actually effect the ability to understand what material conditions are or would be, and most discussion about this just comes down to arbitrary social debates rather than extrapolation of this into any wider forms of action or meaning

    it does actually effect the ability to understand what material conditions are or would be

    But wouldn't this be ideological?

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    it does actually effect the ability to understand what material conditions are or would be

    But wouldn't this be ideological?

    I dunno, I can see how textually it is but I think it's because I just lack the vocabulary to differentiate it myself. Like I more mean of how people define concrete things and the scope of what they can think in light of that, which I don't think is ideological inherently, but it is in a dialectic sense because you can't really separate the two.

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    @Cudderwalks do the ecuadorian maoist have any social media they post updates on like the CPI or the Phillipines fo

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    "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" 📉

    "Capitalism with Chinese characteristics" 📈

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    krishna bound

    you ever get so far into the schizo realm of conspiracies you find whackos who just lose track of who they're actually defending and arguing against

    they might be on to something here bro 🧐

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    p apollo

    they might be on to something here bro 🧐

    The full article was a giant conspiracy theory about jesuits controlling the weather and engineering Fukushima to depopulate the world and Putin fighting back against the NWO by banning GMOs and Vaccines

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    krishna bound

    The full article was a giant conspiracy theory about jesuits controlling the weather and engineering Fukushima to depopulate the world and Putin fighting back against the NWO by banning GMOs and Vaccines

    why couldn’t life be as fun as thisb

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    Womanpuncher69

    why couldn’t life be as fun as thisb

    much like the people writing this stuff, it can be this fun if you start doing meth and melt your brain until you reach the point of unfiltered psychosis then spend all your time reading conspiracy websites