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  • Mar 30, 2022
    krishna bound

    i feel grateful i don't know who that is lol

    jake flores ur better off not knowing his deal lol

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    oh we're just saying it out loud now huh lol

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    space0cadet
    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONdyZZ3OtE

    love binging Vijay lectures

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    krishna bound

    oh we're just saying it out loud now huh lol

    the same person: "I may not agree with the ideology of Nazi's, but they should absolutely have the right to free speech"

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    fun guy

    the same person: "I may not agree with the ideology of Nazi's, but they should absolutely have the right to free speech"

    It's the WaPo so I doubt that one, theyre not under any illusion of pretending to believe in free speech lol

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    Goldbugs are wild motherfuckers. People believe switching to gold will solve the world's problems. The modern version is crypto-freaks

  • Mar 30, 2022
    krishna bound

    oh we're just saying it out loud now huh lol

    washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2018/08/22/the-cia-funded-a-culture-war-against-communism-it-should-do-so-again

    the article is totally unapologetic too

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    krishna bound

    American Logic:

    subsidizing gas prices and implementing price control and import/export policies -> evil socialism (what do we look like, China???)

    just f***ing sending people some money so you don't need to do anything to fix the issue -> cool & epic solution

    its f***ing hilarious to me that the gas is unilaterally being artificially held at the price it is now for profit

    like the execs literally admitted it

    found it

    archive.ph/rVwRK

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    krishna bound

    American Logic:

    subsidizing gas prices and implementing price control and import/export policies -> evil socialism (what do we look like, China???)

    just f***ing sending people some money so you don't need to do anything to fix the issue -> cool & epic solution

    They would rather make the inflation machine go brrrr than even put the idea of price control in people's minds

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    ARCADE GOON

    They would rather make the inflation machine go brrrr than even put the idea of price control in people's minds

    some crypto guy on twitter who's pfp is them in a suit who probably read milton friedman and half of something from rothbard: "yeah actually it's the fact our socialist government isn't allowing the free market to operate that inflation keeps happening"

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    ARCADE GOON

    Goldbugs are wild motherfuckers. People believe switching to gold will solve the world's problems. The modern version is crypto-freaks

    UPDATE: I read a silver-bug forum and they were hating on the copper guys

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    ARCADE GOON

    UPDATE: I read a silver-bug forum and they were hating on the copper guys

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    ARCADE GOON

    UPDATE: I read a silver-bug forum and they were hating on the copper guys

    the simultaneous rw twitter and maupin-type twitter soyfacing over russia going to the gold standard is one of the funniest things ive ever seen

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    krishna bound

    the simultaneous rw twitter and maupin-type twitter soyfacing over russia going to the gold standard is one of the funniest things ive ever seen

    That is exactly what I mean, and note you that it is 100% fake news. Russia bought some gold and they think they returned to the gold standard. F***ing morons

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    ARCADE GOON

    That is exactly what I mean, and note you that it is 100% fake news. Russia bought some gold and they think they returned to the gold standard. F***ing morons

    yeah the account spreading that news was literally and unironically one of those q-anon trump type accounts. like basically a bot and it was super obvious it you looked through the other replies on the same thread "breaking" the "news". the other thing though about that is those gold people have the same problem crypto people do in they dont think out their arguments

    "why is (insert fiat currency) bad"
    "because its value is only based on what the agreed value is"
    "okay so then why is gold and bitcoin valuable"
    "because it has inherent value"
    "why"
    "because we all agree that it has value"

    like yeah there is the nuance that gold has actual meaning in circuitry and manufacturing too but so does copper, silver, and every other metal ever as said elsewhere in the thread

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    krishna bound

    yeah the account spreading that news was literally and unironically one of those q-anon trump type accounts. like basically a bot and it was super obvious it you looked through the other replies on the same thread "breaking" the "news". the other thing though about that is those gold people have the same problem crypto people do in they dont think out their arguments

    "why is (insert fiat currency) bad"
    "because its value is only based on what the agreed value is"
    "okay so then why is gold and bitcoin valuable"
    "because it has inherent value"
    "why"
    "because we all agree that it has value"

    like yeah there is the nuance that gold has actual meaning in circuitry and manufacturing too but so does copper, silver, and every other metal ever as said elsewhere in the thread

    I'm currently duking it out with an idiot on leftypol over this exact topic lmfao

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    ARCADE GOON

    I'm currently duking it out with an idiot on leftypol over this exact topic lmfao

    i think it trips some people up that they just cant comprehend that just because something is a finite material used as exchangeable currency it doesnt inherently make it differentiable from a manufactured symbol used as exchangeable currency. like the assessment of value for a material to be used as a currency still makes the material just a different implement of the same abstract concept as fiat, its not like it commands transcendental value

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    krishna bound

    i think it trips some people up that they just cant comprehend that just because something is a finite material used as exchangeable currency it doesnt inherently make it differentiable from a manufactured symbol used as exchangeable currency. like the assessment of value for a material to be used as a currency still makes the material just a different implement of the same abstract concept as fiat, its not like it commands transcendental value

    There are 122 billion tons of gold in the earth crust, not to mention gold in asteroids and possibly other planets. The vast majority of objects in the universe are "non-renewable"

    Even if we have mined all the asteroids in the universe, and the entire Earth crust, people can just switch to another metal, why should gold be the most important one

    People really fetishize gold because it's shiny NGL

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    ARCADE GOON

    There are 122 billion tons of gold in the earth crust, not to mention gold in asteroids and possibly other planets. The vast majority of objects in the universe are "non-renewable"

    Even if we have mined all the asteroids in the universe, and the entire Earth crust, people can just switch to another metal, why should gold be the most important one

    People really fetishize gold because it's shiny NGL

    oh yeah, that's the other argument i didn't even mention, that there's way more gold than people think there is people need to stop and think for a second on what they're saying

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    It doesn't matter what your money is made of.

    If 10 grams of sugar are worth 20 grams of salt, this relation applies whether you express this equivalence in fiat money, in gold, in silver, or in f***ing seashells, as long as it is recognized legal tender with state backing able to enforce contracts by force if necessary (courts, jails, debt collectors etc.).

    Money is, regarded on a simple level, a mere expression of this equivalency between commodities. The value of commodities is expressed in two ways simultaneously: In how much abstract labor is embedded in the commodity (intrinsic aspect), and in another way, in how much money the commodity is usually exchanged for (extrinsic aspect).

    If x of commodity A = y of commodity B applies, this equivalency can also be expressed by money, which has the special status of being an universal commodity that can be exchanged easily for any other commodity. The physical form which this money holds, whether in gold, silver, seashells, cash, s***coins, is irrelevant in upholding an equal exchange of commodities.

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    Money itself is a commodity. This is true whether you have specie money like gold and silver (which would be a capitalist commodity, subject to the labor theory of value) or fiat money (which would be a non-capitalist commodity, which does not need the labor theory of value).

    Another example for a non-capitalist commodities is ground rent. The non-capitalist commodities existing right now are those commodities that do not comply with the law of value for the determination of their market-exchange-ratio, such as rent charged on land or fiat-money.

    Money needs to be a medium of circulation and a measure of value. Fiat currency can be exchanged just as well as specie currency, if not better (since no physical transportation is needed). Fiat currency can measure value just as well as specie currency, since generally, an exchange of commodities within an economy will over the long-term tend to equivalency (my example of 10 grams of sugar being worth 20 grams of salt), in which case the physical form in which this equivalency is expressed is irrelevant, whether directly by another commodity (20 grams of salt) or by the universal commodity of money.

    The major problem of money as a non-capitalist commodity is currency rates leading to unequal exchanges between countries, but in older times, imperialism just relied on literally stealing physical gold from the periphery (see: Spain getting rich off Inca gold etc.)

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    western liberals: "i'm so glad i live in a free democratic nation where i have the freedom of choice and lifestyle"

    the freedom of choice:

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    space0cadet
    !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ONdyZZ3OtE

    good vid

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    krishna bound

    western liberals: "i'm so glad i live in a free democratic nation where i have the freedom of choice and lifestyle"

    the freedom of choice:

    Is this new? I worked at walmart for like 3 years and never saw this