americana

5y

It’s bad because it’s incoherent, unformed, and easily co-potable

This means that when fascism arises in capitalist modes of society, they’re an easy vehicle for capitalist power to fully exercise their oppressive muscle under the state due to their neglect of the realities of the societies they inheret

krishna bound

5y

this is still the case in these types of communities
open secret that the dude who runs the alt-right magazine Counter-Currents (Greg Johnson) and many other modern white nationalists in the organized alt-right movement use white nationalist organizing as a means of preying on young men. there's some firing range/camp out in the south where some alt-right dudes formerly affiliated with richard spencer try to fly young men out to to prey on.
Greg Johnson has wrote extensively on why the far right should go back to man-boy love because of ancient greece

ARCADE GOON

5y

Fascism is the political expression of Freud's death-drive

Nessy

5y

we can't fight climate change without space exploration tho

especially when we send robots on mars because we learn a lot on soil deterioration, the near future of our atmosphere, how to save biodiversity, etc, basically what's coming for earth

rn they're sending seeds on the ISS that get so traumatized by the lack of gravity they come back on earth strong enough to survive global warming and can keep feeding us

spongebob

4y

so far, my thoughts on @krishna_bound post, and mind you, i am a novice just overall when it comes to the wide world of ideology imo (thats at least how i feel)

It's interesting that I'm artistically and philosophically fascinated with many of the concepts that inform fascism: absurdism, nihilism, and the mention of Dadaism... (part of me was like: "Damn I enjoy thinking about these and feel disconnected... wait am I a fasc- nahhh" ) lmao.

Then I had a question: "Is fascism just an aimless rejection of the current order of things, creating intentional confusion when used politically, so people grasp the disapproval of society at large but aren't able to follow what's being done with the support until its too late? (this sounds absolutely incoherent, seemingly like fascism) (basically, is it used as a confusion tactic, somewhat like a populism)

then the preservation of life as we know it is more important than anything

^ so is this one of the potential links to conservatism? (as we see the US embracing more and more nonsensical s*** on the further right wing, and then absolute inaction by way of centrism by the democrats,
because change leads to disruptions in the status quo

this s*** is heady as f***

i feel like any attempt to reiterate what I read will be just as nonsensical and scattered

It's time to read Blackshirts and Reds soon.

spongebob

4y

mans said co-potable

potable

Fit to drink.
Fit to be drunk; drinkable.
Good for drinking without fear of poisoning or disease.

krishna bound

4y

I wouldn't say that Fascism is really a tactic per-se, at least if you're going by the origin of the belief system. The original leaders who supposed the ideology genuinely believed in their hearts they were representing the best interests of their culture and nation and reconstructing a national rebirth fueled by the will of the people. The later influence and construction of Nazism and the absorption of the entire belief system as a derivative of Nazism - an ideology ironically which had nothing to do with actual Fascist philosophy - has very much skewed what the ideology actually means.
Populism and Fascism are definitely linked in practicality, so I do think there's a comparison to be linked there (namely because there is logically a limited set of means of possible political organization/structures in general which can be fulfilled to begin with), but the main difference is kind of the goals. Populism is kind of arbitrary, Fascism is very pointed by comparison - it draws very specific conclusions from its root philosophy and how to deal with it; the issue is, of course, that Fascism is more a philosophy than a real political structure - so it's kind of impossible to maintain because there's no real political action or structure associated with it, and its ideas are so grandiose they require a full grasp of all things in society - cultural, politics, economics, international relationships, etc. ; this is obviously virtually impossible. at the same time, the ideology however does not actually have any non-philosophical actual political theory for any of this - any political theory came essentially far later.
the latter link to conservatism is kind of broad - i hesitate on it because conservatism and fascism aren't inherently linked. you could draw that conclusion, but it's important to note that again, fascism isn't really like a tactic or classification - it's not like "authoritarian" or "populist". it's a very specific set of beliefs with historical context which has since been lost and heavily changed due to events. I think there's overlaps to be made or comparisons to be drawn, but much of this tends to be due to historical counterparts i think more than overtly ideological ones. The kind of root fascist pre-cursor to traditionalist thinking doesn't necessarily exist in a modern sense; the current conservative mindset is way more outwardly reactionary - original fascists tried to avoid any form of reactionary philosophy, but practically were pushed into it logically due to historical pretexts.
While there's a lot of nonsense relating to political theory of Fascism due to its development, there are many post-fascist philosophers who are worth reading to get a better grasp of how not necessarily fascist, but far-right politics and worldview operates; particularly Carl Schmitt is probably the best example

Sufi

4y

Richard Wolff really turned out to be a disgrace

Sufi

4y

Richard Wolff really turned out to be a disgrace

fun guy

4y

he do something recently?

Sufi

4y

Supports the freedom convoy and somehow thinks the left can assimilate and take over the protests. It’s an extremely settler-colonial and amateur take tbh

Scratchin Mamba

4y

He still cool in general just dismiss anything he says abt mandates lol

Sufi

4y

He’s a decent intro to Marxism but tbh his “socialism is worker co-ops” and his other socdem positions have always come across as absurd

deadacc

4y

https://www.tiktok.com/@​kylethecowboy/video/7065045252016688431

Scratchin Mamba

4y

Sometimes i cant telll if his worker coop thing is just meant as a way to introduce westerners who clutch their pearls at any mention of socialism or if he's actually a titoist lol

ARCADE GOON

4y

I remember there being a Q&A and him saying he would prefer a planned economy

krishna bound

4y

was watching ep 1 of Louis Theroux's documentary on the internet far right and was thinking man this s*** is so beyond embarrassing Louis doesn't even need to do anything to make these people look bad, they're basically losing the political battle just by existing. However then I realized if he was to do the equivalent on the internet "left" it would probably still manage to look far worse so I probably shouldn't take that as a given and just be thankful he hasn't decided to do that yet

krishna bound

4y

was watching ep 1 of Louis Theroux's documentary on the internet far right and was thinking man this s*** is so beyond embarrassing Louis doesn't even need to do anything to make these people look bad, they're basically losing the political battle just by existing. However then I realized if he was to do the equivalent on the internet "left" it would probably still manage to look far worse so I probably shouldn't take that as a given and just be thankful he hasn't decided to do that yet

krishna bound

4y

was watching ep 1 of Louis Theroux's documentary on the internet far right and was thinking man this s*** is so beyond embarrassing Louis doesn't even need to do anything to make these people look bad, they're basically losing the political battle just by existing. However then I realized if he was to do the equivalent on the internet "left" it would probably still manage to look far worse so I probably shouldn't take that as a given and just be thankful he hasn't decided to do that yet

Womanpuncher69

4y

link?

Scratchin Mamba

4y

Politics, although important, will always be inevitably cringe....

krishna bound

4y

https://watchmovie.cc/series/louis-theroux-forbidden-america-season-1-episode-1