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  • Feb 1, 2022

    And once again, the immaterial enshrinements placed by the law provide nothing more than a literary obstacle for the powerful to abuse their power. “Checks and Balances” is nothing if not for material backing of such laws, which are enforced by the very people they aim to contain

    It’s contradictory

  • Feb 1, 2022

    This was the political system under the Stalin era USSR, and was probably the best system the USSR had over the course of its existence

    Sure there were more steps than what we see in our own political systems here in Parliament town, but power was directly enshrined upon unions and local councils who could hold elections and recall officials at will

  • Nort 💫
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    americana

    A vanguard party wouldn’t be a vanguard party if they didn’t act in our interests which is the thing

    The construction of a state under socialism must specifically enshrine a sense of democratic participation and representation of its workers such that they can advance their interests

    The Soviet Union achieved that. China you could debate has achieved it. Cuba has absolutely achieved it. The issue is that we don’t really perceive the centralist platform as “free” because it’s a fundamentally different construction from our liberal electoralism

    And the CIA themselves admitted to the USSR not being a dictatorship and actually being run by ordinary people who made up the party

    I don’t know much about Cuba but I don’t think many people look at the USSR and China as being proletarian states.

  • Feb 1, 2022

    Compare this to our own electoral system where you are given a single vote every four years and your representative has no obligation to vote alongside your local interests because they are within a party that controls them which you have no agency within

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    Nort

    I don’t know much about Cuba but I don’t think many people look at the USSR and China as being proletarian states.

    The CIA certainly did

  • Nort 💫
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    americana

    Opportunism is a big issue within parties which is why parties must be well constructed and well ordained before a revolution

    If they’re unable to construct a state and a political system under themselves following a revolution then the revolution will inevitably fail

    and in those circumstances the material conditions for everyone becomes worse. i just don’t see how this could ever be worth the risk.

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    Nort

    and in those circumstances the material conditions for everyone becomes worse. i just don’t see how this could ever be worth the risk.

    The thing is that if workers saw that a vanguard party wasn’t holding their interests at heart, what power could they possibly hold? Vanguard parties can only succeed at a revolution with the support of its workers and people aren’t so dumb that they’d allow a vanguard party to openly take advantage of them in such a way, especially when there’s no enforcement of a party line without a supportive population

  • Nort 💫
    Feb 1, 2022
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    americana

    The CIA certainly did

    I’m not super well-read on these topics but didn’t China ban unions independent of the government sponsored union? Didn’t the bolsheviks desolve the Constituent Assembly and ban oppositional parties?

  • Nort 💫
    Feb 1, 2022
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    americana

    The thing is that if workers saw that a vanguard party wasn’t holding their interests at heart, what power could they possibly hold? Vanguard parties can only succeed at a revolution with the support of its workers and people aren’t so dumb that they’d allow a vanguard party to openly take advantage of them in such a way, especially when there’s no enforcement of a party line without a supportive population

    i would imagine it depends on the model of government.

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    Nort

    I’m not super well-read on these topics but didn’t China ban unions independent of the government sponsored union? Didn’t the bolsheviks desolve the Constituent Assembly and ban oppositional parties?

    The point of a socialist revolution is to establish a one party state. Unequivocally.

    The point of any revolution is to establish a single party. And the Bolsheviks treats listed their own parties regardless

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    Nort

    i would imagine it depends on the model of government.

    You can’t have a government without people supportive of the government

  • Nort 💫
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    americana

    The point of a socialist revolution is to establish a one party state. Unequivocally.

    The point of any revolution is to establish a single party. And the Bolsheviks treats listed their own parties regardless

    that’s where i disagree. I think you can have multiple parties pushing policies in accordance to a socialist constitution.

  • Nort 💫
    Feb 1, 2022
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    americana

    You can’t have a government without people supportive of the government

    you can have a government with complacent people.

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    Nort

    you can have a government with complacent people.

    Complacency comes from support my guy

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    Nort

    that’s where i disagree. I think you can have multiple parties pushing policies in accordance to a socialist constitution.

    That’s just a reestablishment of electoral parliamentarian politics and completely dumbs down the entire point of a socialist revolt

  • Nort 💫
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    americana

    Complacency comes from support my guy

    bad wording.

    complacency as in people that have been conditioned to believing the state acts in their best interest. you can call it “support” but i think that’s being too charitable.

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    It’s not like having a single party means everyone is voting for the same thing either

    The point of a single party is that the establishment of a single common goal becomes far easier. There will always be disagreements and division within the single party and that how it should be, because it’ll be democratic

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    Nort

    bad wording.

    complacency as in people that have been conditioned to believing the state acts in their best interest. you can call it “support” but i think that’s being too charitable.

    You don’t get complacency from a class conscious population that just completed a revolution that required a knowledge of political theory

  • Nort 💫
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    americana

    It’s not like having a single party means everyone is voting for the same thing either

    The point of a single party is that the establishment of a single common goal becomes far easier. There will always be disagreements and division within the single party and that how it should be, because it’ll be democratic

    I don’t think history looks to kindly upon the single-party government’s of the past. What’s different here? It’s representative of the people? Howso? What happens when the party evolves and no longer represents what it was intended for?

  • Sorry guys. I made a thread about the recent win the comrades had but a mod locked it.

    I thought the projection of a symbol of unity between the CCP and IRI on a national monument was worthy of political news and that it would bring ktt2 comrades some joy.

    God damn capitalists thinking they own everything including the internet

  • Nort 💫
    Feb 1, 2022
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    americana

    You don’t get complacency from a class conscious population that just completed a revolution that required a knowledge of political theory

    i’m speaking about places like North Korea

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    Nort

    I don’t think history looks to kindly upon the single-party government’s of the past. What’s different here? It’s representative of the people? Howso? What happens when the party evolves and no longer represents what it was intended for?

    Remember my guy, this is socialism. The party is specifically organized to be run by people and it’s head members are appointed by the people under the party, who are then entrusted to construct the party alongside mass interests

    Current political parties are NOT organized by their members democratically. They are presented as choices to vote for based upon the will of party heads who exist there through financial security.

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    Nort

    i’m speaking about places like North Korea

    Neither of us know enough about the public attitudes towards the North Korean government to speak towards the relations of the people with their state

    The US has been fighting a 70 year long propaganda war against them and the sheer amount of misinformation I’ve discovered on my own time has led to myself disengaging from any criticisms about NK because I simply do not know the truth

  • Nort 💫
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    americana

    Remember my guy, this is socialism. The party is specifically organized to be run by people and it’s head members are appointed by the people under the party, who are then entrusted to construct the party alongside mass interests

    Current political parties are NOT organized by their members democratically. They are presented as choices to vote for based upon the will of party heads who exist there through financial security.

    And you don’t imagine any room for corruption within this model? Because it sounds nice & dandy but I don’t really think this happens in the way you just described it.

  • Feb 1, 2022
    Nort

    And you don’t imagine any room for corruption within this model? Because it sounds nice & dandy but I don’t really think this happens in the way you just described it.

    The CPC has sifted out corruption pretty effectively from its party in the past 20 years if you’ve followed their news Opoortunism and cronyism is what led to the downfall of the USSR and corruption is an everpresent issue in every political party

    Fragmentation and implementation of parliamentarian political structure only makes corruption easier to manifest