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  • Dec 12, 2021

    I don't completely disagree with you and I think there's room to criticize mandates or discuss policy nuance, but the reason i was pointed in the above re: the podcast is because there concerns were literally that the vaccines are a conspiracy mass killing people + mandates violate body autonomy + muh freedom to choose, etc., it wasn't in any way or form a nuanced disagreement or discussion, it was a paranoid shouting match not grounded in reality. There's a mass psychosis of vaccine paranoia.

    The problem you're pointing to though is a non-policy problem, it's a cultural one - like the issue clearly isn't the mandate itself intrinsically, it's a problem with the relationship between institutions and individuals. This is a very western-centric problem and is related more to the complex relationship and hyper-individualistic corporate liberalism that's developed here. I would guarantee in a place like Singapore there would not be nearly as much controversy or discourse over this type of suggestion.

  • Dec 12, 2021
    aktvinye meropriya

    I oppose vaccine mandates when the vaccine has been developed by a private company thats not related to the state

    The Russian and Chinese vaccines have been created by the people of the state are produced by the state and for the benefit of the state and its people

    I agree like in principle with you but in honesty if you look at the US specifically, these "private companies" are essentially just arms of the state on a functional level (or maybe rather that simply the government is an arm of the private companies ). While I think there's room for an argument on exploitation of these situations by said companies, that's kind of detached from the main argument because most of the vaccines specifically in this context aren't just random private solutions thrown into the public sphere, they're essentially the result of multi-national governmental policy and subsidies funneled through a company with non-elected board members, the only real difference is profit incentive, but the same could be said about virtually any medical solution in the west (i.e. surgery, medication, etc.); the conspiracy isn't necessarily in the intrinsic medication/solution itself but rather in its monetization and subsidization. Most of these vaccines receive cross-national affirmation; i.e. China recognizes western vaccines. I agree with you though in your other post that the west not wanting to recognize Russian or Chinese vaccines is more sinister but that's clearly a separate issue rather than a public health one

  • Dec 12, 2021
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    mythic

    you talk a lot about how someone else makes assumptions but then you yourself make the 'capitalist' assumption that ancient humans were hunter-gatherers !

    is it not widely agreed upon that pre-neolithic humans were hunter gatherers?

    I understand that there is a great deal of debate over how their societies were organized i.e. that new david graeber (RIP) book

    but I'm not aware of anything beyond that, if you have links or reccs you can send them my way

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    the red scare girls really don’t stand for anything besides getting attention.

    i think they’re funny/entertaining when they’re talking about media/culture but when it comes to politics you will hear some of the most braindead s*** ever. (in particular anna)

  • Dec 12, 2021
    demo

    the red scare girls really don’t stand for anything besides getting attention.

    i think they’re funny/entertaining when they’re talking about media/culture but when it comes to politics you will hear some of the most braindead s*** ever. (in particular anna)

    yeah i basically said the same thing a few pages back. they're entertaining when they talk about films and art or fashion or whatever. when they say anything political i want to shoot myself.

  • Dec 12, 2021
    mythic

    you talk a lot about how someone else makes assumptions but then you yourself make the 'capitalist' assumption that ancient humans were hunter-gatherers !

    But hunter & gatherer was the first economic mode of production doe

  • Dec 12, 2021
    Womanpuncher69

    Back to topic

    CHUEV: Who was more severe, Lenin or Stalin?

    MOLOTOV: Lenin, of course. He was severe. In some cases he was harsher than Stalin. Read his messages to Dzerzhinsky. He often resorted to extreme measures when necessary. He ordered the suppression of the Tambov uprising, that everything be burned to the ground. I was present at the discussion. He would not have tolerated any opposition, even had it appeared. I recall how he reproached Stalin for his softness and liberalism. “What kind of a dictatorship do we have? We have a milk-and-honey power, and not a dictatorship!”

    CHUEV: Where is it written that he reproached Stalin?

    MOLOTOV: It was in a small circle among us. Here is a telegram from Lenin to a provincial food commissar in his native Simbirsk in 1919: “The starving workers of Petrograd and Moscow are complaining about your inefficient management…. I demand from you maximum energy, a no-holds-barred attitude to the job, and thorough assistance to the starving workers. If you fail, I will be forced to arrest the entire staff of your institutions and to bring them to trial…. You must immediately load and send off two trains of 30 cars each. Send a telegram when this is complete. If it is confirmed that, by four clock, you did not send the grain and made the peasants wait until morning, you will be shot. Sovnarkom Chairman, Lenin.” I remember another case. Lenin had received a letter from a poor peasant of Rostov province saying that things were bad with them, that no one paid any attention to them, the poor peasants, that there was no help for them and that, on the contrary, they were oppressed. Lenin proposed the formation of a group of “Sverdlovers adults from Sverdlov University….” Lenin directed this group to go to the place in question and, if the report was confirmed, to shoot guilty parties right then and there and to rectify the situation. What could be more concrete? Shoot on the spot and that’s that! Such things happened. It was outside the law, but we had to do it…. Lenin was a strong character. If necessary, he seized people by the scruff of their necks.

    CHUEV: They say that Lenin had nothing to do with the execution of the tsar’s family in 1918, that it was a decision of the local authorities following Kolchak’s attack…. But some people say it was revenge for Lenin’s brother.

    MOLOTOV: They make Lenin out to be a crank. They are small-fry philistines who think this. Don’t be naive. I think that, without Lenin, no one would have dared to make such a decision. Lenin was implacable when the Revolution, Soviet power, and communism were at stake. Indeed, had we implemented democratic solutions to all problems, this would surely have damaged the state and the party. Issues would have dragged on for too long and nothing good would have come of this sort of formal democracy. Lenin often resolved critical problems by himself, on his own authority.

    Chuev, Feliks. Molotov Remembers. Chicago: I. R. Dee, 1993, p. 107-109

  • Dec 12, 2021
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    Tkken

    is it not widely agreed upon that pre-neolithic humans were hunter gatherers?

    I understand that there is a great deal of debate over how their societies were organized i.e. that new david graeber (RIP) book

    but I'm not aware of anything beyond that, if you have links or reccs you can send them my way

    They were, IDK what that guy is talking about. Later on of course not but like that's the most basic form of economy, one that even animals have

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    Yall too smart for these podcasts do better

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    ARCADE GOON

    Also rest in peace /r/ChapoTrapHouse /r/CTH2 /r/MoreTankieChapo

    Rest in PISS /r/LessTankieChapo

    I think about my time as a chapo user in 2018 and cringe intensely. good riddance that place is shut down. the forum they moved to is even worse lmao.

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    Yuzzy

    Yall too smart for these podcasts do better

    There's some good ones still like citation needed or revolutionary left radio

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    demo

    I think about my time as a chapo user in 2018 and cringe intensely. good riddance that place is shut down. the forum they moved to is even worse lmao.

    It had some good leftists in there especially on the CTH2 sub but of course a lot of weirdos and radlibs

  • Dec 13, 2021
    Yuzzy

    Yall too smart for these podcasts do better

    If we're talking about red scare, everyone here agrees their a bunch of dumbasses, I just use em as a way to record time like I want to draw for this period of time.

    If your talking about podcast in generals, im not a fan of paying attention to em or as a primary point of attention, I use em for background noise time to time, but if you do like at best they could be secondary material to learn from.

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    demo

    I think about my time as a chapo user in 2018 and cringe intensely. good riddance that place is shut down. the forum they moved to is even worse lmao.

    you talking about hexbear

  • Dec 13, 2021
    ARCADE GOON

    It had some good leftists in there especially on the CTH2 sub but of course a lot of weirdos and radlibs

    I get what u mean. I can appreciate it for like literally introducing what leftism was to me when I was a bit younger but then there was a bunch of other s*** like this lmfao

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    I support vaccine-stalinism, every brutal measure you can think of, I support it I'm with Zizek on this on. F*** your bodily rights if it means harming the common. You gotta do it short and brutal like China did. Like taking off a band-aid.

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    Womanpuncher69

    you talking about hexbear

    yes lmfaoo

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    demo

    yes lmfaoo

    whats so bad about it? I lurk time to time just seems like ur normal ML community

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    ARCADE GOON

    I support vaccine-stalinism, every brutal measure you can think of, I support it I'm with Zizek on this on. F*** your bodily rights if it means harming the common. You gotta do it short and brutal like China did. Like taking off a band-aid.

    This is actually insanely authoritarian. This is infringing on my free speech and Lockean-individuality given to me under the great constitution of the United States of America. What happened to habeas corpus?

  • Dec 13, 2021
    Yuzzy

    Yall too smart for these podcasts do better

    i don't really listen to any, i just find the subreddits and proximity drama funny

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    ARCADE GOON

    They were, IDK what that guy is talking about. Later on of course not but like that's the most basic form of economy, one that even animals have

    right I was wondering what I was missing here

  • Dec 13, 2021
    space0cadet

    This is actually insanely authoritarian. This is infringing on my free speech and Lockean-individuality given to me under the great constitution of the United States of America. What happened to habeas corpus?

    habeas corpus? speak English u immigrant

  • Dec 13, 2021
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    i have never listened to a podcast

  • Dec 13, 2021
    Tkken

    right I was wondering what I was missing here

    idk if this is what he's talking about, but there's some level of historical evidence and research that before humans emerged as hunter-gatherers from the usage of tools that they were scavengers. However what's more controversial is at what timeline to place divergence of other species and human and also the relative timeline of tools. (one such study: journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0062174 just to show im not bullshitting - also jstor.org/stable/25801183 on the general debate). i guess he could also be talking about questioning evolution linearity or something?