believe me brother id love to imagine a world where you could. truth is countries need loans to develop productive forces.

one country is providing loans at gunpoint stripping the state of any public welfare at predatory rates and the other is attempting reasonable and mutually beneficial loans to help countries develop productive capabilities. china's obviously not perfect but given the material conditions it is not fair - and arguably actively harmful - to equate the two.

Chinese involvement is not at all detrimental to the same extent

You are misinformed.
Mass execution happened before iran and iraq war.

They fled the country after khomeini broke his promise to them right after the revolution. He promised that their party is going to be part of the government. He hijacked their revolution with the aid of western secret agnecies and once his donkey crossed the bridge he broke his promise! They started getting executed and fled and formed their s***ty opposition.

The game was rigged from the start. Nothing personell, kid.

this is why i dislike commenting on some issues on here because you instantly get ganged up because you criticized china oh well

i didnt say both of theirs involvement is the same in the world im talking about personal experience man.

mo salah just scored so im gonna have to elaborate a lil later my bad on that

The execution of those b******s happened in 1988. How you Iranian and don’t know easily obtainable information about your country.

i thought ktt was my escape from balkan politics no way im gonna have to do writeups on here too

Where u from king?

BRI is definitely a way of extending chinese influence in terms of soft power by counteracting american influence. I think in terms of it competing against american influence it's admirable and far preferable, and I don't think it's "imperialism" or "debt trap" which is the go to often uneducated but typical insult against it usually, but I do think that it's clearly a strategic move to build influence because china does not have the "soft power" cultural influence like the US does. Like it's basically just a form of diplomacy more than it is a form of ideological nation building. It's more or less a net good in general, but I don't like the people online who think BRI is some kind of weird secret third worldist ideological strategy and it's being done out of the good of China's heart or something.
Most of the current chinese administration is far past even that of Dengism and most of them advocate basically just mimicking a chinese version of the American Dream and calling for basically finishing the "american experiment" by picking up where america failed in both global influences (i.e. building an "ethical" version of the IMF or something) and in domestic goals. I was talking about this earlier in the thread (probably like 50-70+ pages ago by now) and had direct quotes from chinese officials on this stuff in literature published by them so it's not really some type of anti-china conspiracy.

I got historical facts and reciepts. Actual events that happened. All you got is memes

The ideaology is based off of the theory of Marx-Lenin-Mao and Gonzalo. Not the success of the current day PCP

However I do think it’s a actual point of criticism when it comes to the whole lying to the communists thing. But to act like the religious authorities didn’t have major involvement in the revolution is disingenuous as hell.

Macedonia..

You can’t even get your dates and information correct most of the time

i know oldheads see stuff with rose tinted glasses but man the way they be describing yugoslavia i need that s***!

The theory of Gonzalo has never won anything worthwhile, it is insulting to name him alongside those other guys. He doesn't have any novel theoritcal contributions anyway, just summarizing Mao.

Learned about Tito when I was little. After he died things went downhill so fast.

They did. Brits produced khomeini tapes and spread it around in the country.
People totally bought into his promises. He pulled thru and even made water and electricity free for a whole 2 months!

No one is denying that Mulahs played a big role by lying lol.

It is a waste of life-time to argue with a schizophrenic like you so you will only get image macros from now on

my grandma still has a portrait of Tito in her living room

There's definitely a lot of rabidly pro-China people but I think most of the reason people gang up against anti-China takes is because the default of anti-China takes is very unnuanced online (and irl tbf) and usually is dependent on either western propaganda or arbitrary western preferences. It's rare that most people present nuanced views of China in online discussions and people are mainly defensive because most of the "offense" tends to just be wrong which (understandably) sets off a lot of people's alarms. Especially if you aren't a super well known politics sxn poster, people probably dont' know your views and assume you're coming from that type of angle unless you make your views on it clear from the get-go contextually