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  • Oct 14, 2021
    Womanpuncher69

    he killed his wife and was unfit to trial due to insanity it doesn't dismiss his philosophical work well maybe the insanity plead a bit, but I know people like Paul Cockshott hate hearing about him due to that

    Cockshott wrote a few essays about Althusser and gives him a fair chance IMO

    Althusser has some influence on Cockshott because both reject Hegel and his influence on Marxism

  • Oct 14, 2021

    Althussy

  • Oct 14, 2021
    americana

    No, and it’s because Afghanistan is a non industrialized, rural, feudal state

    Capitalism must develop there first before class divisions that create socialism can exist. The King of Afghanistan (Zahir Shah) was in the process of this before being couped by the progressive Daoud Khan with help from the moderate socialist Parchami party, who were opposed by the hardline Khalqi party. The Khalqi believed that a radical movement into agrarian socialism with the help of the USSR was the way forward.

    The Parcham were a bunch of bourgeois college kids from the capital city who understood that their country was not a unified or even interconnected one yet, but understood that capitalism had to be developed before socialism could be introduced, which is why they helped support and move Daoud Khan into power.

    It’s ironic because Daoud Khan actually tried to undermine the Parchami’s (and the Soviet Union’s) power once he was in office while trying to modernize the country. Simultaneously, his attempts to modernize the country ended up being marginal and he was growing increasingly unpopular.

    This lead to the Saur Revolution of 1978 where the Parcham reunited with the Khalqi to depose Daoud Khan, then once the Revolution was complete, the Khalqi began purging Parcham under Nur Mohammad Taraki before he was toppled and replaced by the Hafizullah Amin Administration (Amin was Tarakis right hand man and would assassinate him in 1979 due to a number of controversies).

    After Amin’s entrance to office, popularity would continue to crumble and the Parchami would return to power with soviet backing.

    The 1970’s was an extremely confusing time for Afghanistan. Everything from Daoud Khans deposing occurred in maybe a year and a half

    i remember reading about this time period and being so confused on who was allegiant to whom

  • Oct 14, 2021
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    krishna bound

    don't usually post in this thread because i dont self-identify this way, but that wasn't fully what I said. I was more saying two things; firstly in regards to Lehman Bros, the issue wasn't the handling of the crash, but rather the fact Lehman Bros as a concept shouldn't have existed to begin with - people were saying it should have been nationalized, but nationalizing Lehman is like saying (comparatively) "let's nationalize fentanyl dealing" as if the issue was the organization of the operation instead of the operation itself.
    What I said about FM&FM was that it was turned into a GSE, which is nationalization to some degree but in the worst way possible. I've put screenshots of the comments below for those interested.


    ive always wondered under what ideological basis you identify as ?

  • Oct 14, 2021
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    deadacc

    ive always wondered under what ideological basis you identify as ?

    Baathism

  • Oct 14, 2021
    ARCADE GOON

    Althusser has a few interesting concepts

    One is his concept of ideology which i don't necessarily agree with. One is his concept of reproduction. He says that capitalism must reproduce itself, this happens through wages being high enough to sustain the population. I also think this is wrong bc mature capitalist economies for the most part have sinking birthrates. But he argues the entire state apparatus is formed to reproduce the status quo, which makes sense somewhere.

    The most interesting part for me is that he says Marx still has a few idealist views bc he held onto Hegel. He criticizes Marx here and there for that. For example he says the idea to start Das Kapital with the commodity form is a result of Hegelian brainworms and that it actually harms the book because the first 100 pages are so abstract. He also criticizes historical materialism for having a grand narrative and says this is also not materialist to think that way, he says history has a lot of randomness and chance to it

    His interpretation of Marxism is orthodox, no BS, no idealism, really scientific (thats why a lot of radlibs hate him) but I would only read him after Capital.

    He has an interesting essay on Lenin's philosophy too but it only makes sense if you've read Lenin's essays on it. Lenin's works on materialism make more sense when you know that in that time there were people seriously doubting about the existence of atoms/nature of atoms

    So I say hold out on reading Althusser until you read the primary sources, Kapital and/or Lenin's philosophical writings

    Good looks, I did recently finish capital but haven't read Lenin's philosophy

  • Oct 14, 2021
    deadacc

    ive always wondered under what ideological basis you identify as ?

    he's tried to type it but it keeps getting censored, I guess we'll never know

  • Oct 14, 2021

    Joined the Party of Communists

  • Oct 14, 2021
    Scratchin Mamba

    Baathism

    Absolutely based

  • Oct 14, 2021
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    Womanpuncher69

    he killed his wife and was unfit to trial due to insanity it doesn't dismiss his philosophical work well maybe the insanity plead a bit, but I know people like Paul Cockshott hate hearing about him due to that

    Imagine Cockshott being a judge of morality

  • Oct 15, 2021
    Pexlivaniz

    Imagine Cockshott being a judge of morality

    true Cockshott is a transphobic POS but his ideas on economic planning and s*** are still really good. Might have gotten it wrong though it might have been Zizek ? who hates hearing Althuseer talked about who also has controversial social opinions for leftists lol, Europeans man.

  • Oct 16, 2021
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    space0cadet

    https://benjaminnorton.substack.com/p/in-cointelpro-fbi-used-anarchism

    It’s just so much easier to infiltrate and obfuscate anarchist groups because of their total lack of vetting processes and centralized organization and I have no clue why people like @sniper would rather pursue conscious purity rather than actually building an effective fighting force against capital-imperialism

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    americana

    It’s just so much easier to infiltrate and obfuscate anarchist groups because of their total lack of vetting processes and centralized organization and I have no clue why people like @sniper would rather pursue conscious purity rather than actually building an effective fighting force against capital-imperialism

    I mean western ML groups vetting is incredibly terrible as well, for the Canadian communist Party all u gotta do is pledge to the program then ur in its a total joke

  • Oct 16, 2021
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    Womanpuncher69

    I mean western ML groups vetting is incredibly terrible as well, for the Canadian communist Party all u gotta do is pledge to the program then ur in its a total joke

    I actually found a GREAT party with a nice vetting process that my friend recommended me the day I joined PCUSA. They require you to do like a year of Marxism classes and volunteering for their front organization before you can enter their actual communist group

    I signed up this morning but I don’t begin for a week or so

  • Oct 16, 2021
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    americana

    I actually found a GREAT party with a nice vetting process that my friend recommended me the day I joined PCUSA. They require you to do like a year of Marxism classes and volunteering for their front organization before you can enter their actual communist group

    I signed up this morning but I don’t begin for a week or so

    congrats joining them, now watch me get my sectarian on and s*** on PCUSA nah im joking, irl organising is always good, way better than being terminally online even if u hold the correct lines.

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    Womanpuncher69

    congrats joining them, now watch me get my sectarian on and s*** on PCUSA nah im joking, irl organising is always good, way better than being terminally online even if u hold the correct lines.

    Factual

    PSL and PCUSA are filled with amazing and productive people it’s just that they’re not gonna go anywhere without a massive level of infiltration considering their criteria of entry

    Hopefully as my party grows they’ll be able to take in the disillusioned from those parties and momentum can continue

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    americana

    Factual

    PSL and PCUSA are filled with amazing and productive people it’s just that they’re not gonna go anywhere without a massive level of infiltration considering their criteria of entry

    Hopefully as my party grows they’ll be able to take in the disillusioned from those parties and momentum can continue

    Last party someone i know joined was FRSO and it was just a book club
    they did like, protests and speeches and s*** but its like ?????
    nothing connected to the people

  • Oct 16, 2021
    space0cadet

    Last party someone i know joined was FRSO and it was just a book club
    they did like, protests and speeches and s*** but its like ?????
    nothing connected to the people

    yeah that’s i heard the same with PCUSA a glorified book club, also higher uppers are commandist. u know where they get most of their recruits cause if it’s uni kids they’re doomed to fail like every other org that recruits from the same demographic as eventually those petite bougious students views are gonna get more and more represented within the org. Honestly idk why commies keep going to uni students that strategy been failing for decades go to the point of production try to get people from warehouses and s***.

    but i didn’t wanna discourage americana from participating as it can still be a useful learning tool to learn how to administer, propagandize etc stuff u can’t get from reading theory

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    americana

    It’s just so much easier to infiltrate and obfuscate anarchist groups because of their total lack of vetting processes and centralized organization and I have no clue why people like @sniper would rather pursue conscious purity rather than actually building an effective fighting force against capital-imperialism

    I didn't see this tag lol

    anarchist groups have historically been harder to infiltrate by feds due to their decentralized and anonymous nature, and there are lots of radically different strains of anarchist thought, compared to the relative conformity and ideological lockstep of marxist parties

    ive never heard of this paper outside of the context of COINTELPRO and largely, the anarchist movement wasn't affected because of its diversity, and for historical context, the anarchists at the time may have been post-left anti-organizationist, which made it easier to get language co-opted and i doubt it got any big traction

    that is not the only strain of anarchism however, there is organization and stuff like social anarchism/libertarian socialism, etc.

    largely, and ironically, it was mainly ML/centralized socialist groups that got decimated by the FBI due to their centralized structure and vanguardist nature and the language was even easier to co-opt and it was easier to get people to flip by taking advantage of infighitng.

    former ML black panthers who turned to anarchism largely cited the group structure and internal party politics that brought the movement down

    me personally, i identify more with the social anarchism stuff, i like collective action, organization, all that, but it's different than vanguardism, in which it is horizontal and non-hierarchical and people have more of a voice

    posties are just pretentious memelords imo

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    also the substack article isn't really a damnation of anarchism that Ben Norton thinks it is, because they were f***ing with everyone on the left at that time

    you could call out MLism and the derivatives like Maoism as COINTELPRO too, as the feds also built up front orgs and made newspapers and all that

  • Oct 16, 2021
    space0cadet

    Last party someone i know joined was FRSO and it was just a book club
    they did like, protests and speeches and s*** but its like ?????
    nothing connected to the people

    I’m joining the FRSO rn and I’m literally volunteering at a soup kitchen next week

    Maybe we’re at different chapters? Idk my friends been working with them for the past year and has done a LOT

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    americana

    Factual

    PSL and PCUSA are filled with amazing and productive people it’s just that they’re not gonna go anywhere without a massive level of infiltration considering their criteria of entry

    Hopefully as my party grows they’ll be able to take in the disillusioned from those parties and momentum can continue

    PSL is a s*** party from what ive heard, allegedly they covered up some sexual assault s*** internally, and they monitor their members social media, and if they engage positively to the wrong post, they get told to take it down

    if there is something that always takes out leftist organizing, regardless of ideology, it's always some sexual assault and its f***ed up

  • Oct 16, 2021
    sniper

    also the substack article isn't really a damnation of anarchism that Ben Norton thinks it is, because they were f***ing with everyone on the left at that time

    you could call out MLism and the derivatives like Maoism as COINTELPRO too, as the feds also built up front orgs and made newspapers and all that

    yeah a lot of people don’t seem to realize the infiltrators will have a lot of knowledge of marxism they aren’t idiots u gotta stay aware for “pig questions” like asking how big u are and peoples name s*** like that to join an org it should take months imo

  • Oct 16, 2021

    also it’s always safer to have strong security culture from the start don’t assume ur too small to be cracked down even if u are