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  • Oct 12, 2021
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    americana

    The state would not be abolished, it would wither away in the post revolution

    We have never left the post revolutionary stage

    this is implying that the state will peacefully hand over control to the workers and the higher-ups will want to let go of their power and just abdicate their positions and everyone will live happily ever after

    the truth is, and all throughout history, the state has never dissolved itself, it will perpetuate itself and if the state is the superior method of societal organization, what keeps egalitarian communism reached through state capitalism from falling back into hierarchy, even if it is reached globally

  • Oct 12, 2021
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    sniper

    this is implying that the state will peacefully hand over control to the workers and the higher-ups will want to let go of their power and just abdicate their positions and everyone will live happily ever after

    the truth is, and all throughout history, the state has never dissolved itself, it will perpetuate itself and if the state is the superior method of societal organization, what keeps egalitarian communism reached through state capitalism from falling back into hierarchy, even if it is reached globally

    We have never seen a global proliferation of workers states that exists without organized resistance from capitalist states

    Can’t make that assumption

    I’d rather be under China or the USSR than america right now so that’s what I’m working towards

  • Oct 12, 2021
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    Personally I don't have any problem with powerful states as long as they serve the interests of their people and not money/foreign powers

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    aktvinye meropriya

    Personally I don't have any problem with powerful states as long as they serve the interests of their people and not money/foreign powers

    You’ve gotta be way more specific in your needs then my guy

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    americana

    We have never seen a global proliferation of workers states that exists without organized resistance from capitalist states

    Can’t make that assumption

    I’d rather be under China or the USSR than america right now so that’s what I’m working towards

    even with a global proliferation, and not taking into account that “AES” states have fought each other before, do you really think the “great man” at the top would let go of that intoxicating domineering power?

    from what i’ve observed, the “great man” at the top of the hierarchy in these states basically ends up controlling everything like kings since they are the big man in the party

    i believe if this ever happened, they would either form a global hegemonic empire or just not dissolve at all

  • Oct 12, 2021

    y'all keep arguing with sniper lmao

  • americana

    You’ve gotta be way more specific in your needs then my guy

    Yeah I'm not really a marxist I just like the CCP

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    sniper

    even with a global proliferation, and not taking into account that “AES” states have fought each other before, do you really think the “great man” at the top would let go of that intoxicating domineering power?

    from what i’ve observed, the “great man” at the top of the hierarchy in these states basically ends up controlling everything like kings since they are the big man in the party

    i believe if this ever happened, they would either form a global hegemonic empire or just not dissolve at all

    That’s not up to him, it’s up to the party behind him and it’s commissars

    Thus stressing the need for education regarding theory

  • Oct 12, 2021
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    The socialist state is fundamentally constructed in a different fashion from previous hierarchical political entities, why apply the same logic to them?

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    americana

    That’s not up to him, it’s up to the party behind him and it’s commissars

    Thus stressing the need for education regarding theory

    who does the internal purges or has people disappeared under his watch? who is the controller of the lockstep?

  • Oct 12, 2021
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    americana

    The socialist state is fundamentally constructed in a different fashion from previous hierarchical political entities, why apply the same logic to them?

    they really aren’t different though, once you strip away all the agitprop and aesthetics, it’s the same s***

  • Oct 12, 2021
    sniper

    who does the internal purges or has people disappeared under his watch? who is the controller of the lockstep?

    The party?

  • Oct 12, 2021
    sniper

    they really aren’t different though, once you strip away all the agitprop and aesthetics, it’s the same s***

    It really isn’t

    Even the CIA said it isn’t

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    Once again sniper the CIA themselves didn’t call the USSR a dictatorship why would you subscribe to the same rhetoric of a dictatorship to describe the USSR

  • Oct 12, 2021

    cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf

    To me reading this was as important than most leftist theory to my inclination towards marxism over other strains of leftists just because the most diametrically anti communist organization in the post WW2 era didn’t call STALIN a dictator

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    americana

    Once again sniper the CIA themselves didn’t call the USSR a dictatorship why would you subscribe to the same rhetoric of a dictatorship to describe the USSR

    one man can control an entire party if they have enough pull, you see it in liberal democracies too, trump and the republicans

    the power struggles between mao and deng reflected this dynamic as well

    but here’s something odd, don’t you guys call it a “dictatorship of the proletariat” yourselves, and everything is credited to whatever leader is in power and the party they control

  • Oct 12, 2021
    sniper
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    one man can control an entire party if they have enough pull, you see it in liberal democracies too, trump and the republicans

    the power struggles between mao and deng reflected this dynamic as well

    but here’s something odd, don’t you guys call it a “dictatorship of the proletariat” yourselves, and everything is credited to whatever leader is in power and the party they control

    The USSR’s democratic structures reflected that

  • Oct 12, 2021
    sniper

    one man can control an entire party if they have enough pull, you see it in liberal democracies too, trump and the republicans

    the power struggles between mao and deng reflected this dynamic as well

    but here’s something odd, don’t you guys call it a “dictatorship of the proletariat” yourselves, and everything is credited to whatever leader is in power and the party they control

    Saying “the people of the USSR” continuously isn’t as easily useful to reflect different habits of the party as time rolls around

    Better to attribute it to the genSec

  • Oct 12, 2021

    What a useless argument regarding semantics LMAO

    “If there’s a leader whys it called a dictatorship of the proletariat?”

    “Why do you call the government by the leaders name?”
    goddamn puritans

  • Oct 12, 2021
    americana

    It is a human right to be a crack addict

    Muh opium war

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  • Oct 12, 2021
    space0cadet

    Ding ding ding

    The eastern left has the burden of developing socialism AND appeasing the West because the Western left is too self indulgent and spends their entire time drinking “good guy soup”while their states constantly topple any government who doesn’t submit to economic subjugation

  • sniper

    one man can control an entire party if they have enough pull, you see it in liberal democracies too, trump and the republicans

    the power struggles between mao and deng reflected this dynamic as well

    but here’s something odd, don’t you guys call it a “dictatorship of the proletariat” yourselves, and everything is credited to whatever leader is in power and the party they control

    One man controlling the entire state is actually good especially when the state is trying to resist international capital

    Imagine the CIA trying to pay Stalin off with a bribe... what can you possibly give him the man already has everything?

    His motivations are purely idealogical... to better the lives of his people and protect the USSR's right to sovereignty

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    The caveat of course is the leader has to be very competent and appointing the right people to the right political positions is something the CCP excels at

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    aktvinye meropriya

    The caveat of course is the leader has to be very competent and appointing the right people to the right political positions is something the CCP excels at

    I just don’t get how sniper thinks socialists would just build a hierarchy Willy Nilly knowing full well what they just abolished