Lmao "authoritarian"

Whoever coined the term goes to the gulag

what is wrong with the term

i normally disagree with leftist infighting but it doesn’t feel like we have the same goals at all. leftist unity for what?

this insane

Do we not share the goal of achieving class consciousness right now? An anti capitalist class consciousness at the least ?

People act like being a “tankie” or a statist or whatever is something ML’s LIKE being

Hell no. I’d love DemSoc or Anarchism or whatever to bring about the end of inequality in our world democratically and peacefully. But it hasn’t and it won’t because those political structures have the highest potentials of being usurped, subverted, or corrupted. I’d love a peaceful transition into post capitalism achieved democratically. Will it happen? Not in the near future

05 Fuk Em

Tbh a real way to harm capitalism would be cyberhacking big DNS nodes and chokepoints in minecraft

Xi vs Amazon AWS cloud services

an anti-capitalist consciousness, yes.

do you believe a worker’s state is possible?

A workers state is possible but it must have a major goal of establishing a global workers’ state before moving into disestablishmentarianist objectives in regards to the state (vs government, two separate political entities). Disestablishment of the state cannot occur while land owned by the workers can be encroached upon by capitalist/imperialist states who wish to project their own power

The workers state will be run by and work for its workers at the cost of the oppression of the bourgeois who wish to preside over the workers at all costs in the same way a capitalist state will defend its bourgeois against those who work under them

Realistically, if a workers government didn’t have a state, how else would power and violence be able to be projected against capitalist states? A state is required to coordinate and project such power, since states exercise a monopoly on “justified violence” over its people.

i understand your reasoning for wanting a state to protect the society from imperialist’s. but why do you find it necessary for state-controlled means of production? what’s wrong with the democratization of the workforce? we can reward our workforce with their full value & freedom. i advocate for market socialism as a necessary transitional state towards de-commodification & housing co-op policies. why would an economy of this model be detrimental to the state and it’s ability to protect us from agitator’s?

How would the syndicalism approach (Workers directly owning their businesses within a market) work to end material inequality when competition and arising inequality would still exist due to material conditions? There would still need to be the state to coordinate material distribution. How would conflict between trade unions be settled if it came to violence? How would the installation of a liberalist democracy work to counteract global capitalists seeking to topple them without a coordinating body to bring about direction?

I’d love for us to finish the revolution in a country and just check the box off and leave the place alone while we organize markets and that stuff but the reality is that there is an inevitable war to be fought if we want to truly liberate the world. And that means gearing up for wartime.

in my mind, abolishing the state is a very long term goal. i know i’m relatively new to leftism but i’m not naïve enough to think we can rid of it tomorrow.

Abolishing the state can’t occur until there’s no other state to oppose it

1. can you elaborate on what you mean by “material inequality” and the “material conditions” you’re specifically thinking of?

2. a state or a worker-sponsored institution would probably be necessary in addressing your concerns. i’m not opposed to a state providing guidelines and protection. i just want to liberate the working class and i don’t think state-ownership over the economy does that.

which will assumably never be the case. why advocate for this ideology if it can’t fulfill it’s promises? i don’t see how implementing a system like that would improve the material conditions of the general population. if anything, i could see things being worse. what happens when the vanguard party becomes corrupt and we don’t have the means to oppose them?

I've been won over to the Marxist-Leninist train

I need to stay off Twitter

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it’s over

bro u worried about the wrong state

worry about your mental state b

syke... imagining a world with no states is nuts though... like right now i’m just thinking about how people can all have food water housing all that