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  • Jul 6, 2021
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    no one itt is planning a revolution

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    Frog

    no one itt is planning a revolution

    u don’t know what i’m dming synopsis

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    Womanpuncher69

    u don’t know what i’m dming synopsis

    why dont u dm some b****es

  • Jul 6, 2021
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    Frog

    why dont u dm some b****es

    check ur dms the.

  • Jul 6, 2021
    Womanpuncher69

    check ur dms the.

    nah u got me confused with someone else

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    Frog

    no one itt is planning a revolution

    tbh i think if US gets a living wage and universal healthcare/M4A whatever ends up being best that s*** will shift things everywhere,

    I’m not naïve but i like thinking about how good a step that’d be

  • Jul 6, 2021
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    spongebob

    tbh i think if US gets a living wage and universal healthcare/M4A whatever ends up being best that s*** will shift things everywhere,

    I’m not naïve but i like thinking about how good a step that’d be

    i wish

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    Frog

    i wish

    it’s not feeling likely but it’d be a nice improvement

  • Jul 6, 2021
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    spongebob

    it’s not feeling likely but it’d be a nice improvement

    band aid solutions

  • Jul 6, 2021
    Frog

    i wish

    that being said look how much new s*** been talked about/added to platforms since then, i do feel like there is a greater understanding now than there was years ago but the fact that so many are suffering makes it feel like everything is dire and way too slow, which i tend to agree with but, idk just gotta keep the good s*** in conversation

    jacobinmag.com/2021/07/socialism-axios-survey-perceptions-capitalism-covid

  • Jul 6, 2021
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    Frog

    band aid solutions

    nah i think (ironically in metaphor somewhat) fixing the healthcare system is much greater than a bandaid solution.

    the living wage part, yeah that’s a bit of a smaller thing imo in terms of the larger picture / especially because if it adjusted for inflation it’d be much higher than $15/hr plus doesn’t guarantee living situations / food/water etc

    but it would give more people mobility that aren’t getting paid enough if only a little bit more

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    spongebob

    nah i think (ironically in metaphor somewhat) fixing the healthcare system is much greater than a bandaid solution.

    the living wage part, yeah that’s a bit of a smaller thing imo in terms of the larger picture / especially because if it adjusted for inflation it’d be much higher than $15/hr plus doesn’t guarantee living situations / food/water etc

    but it would give more people mobility that aren’t getting paid enough if only a little bit more

    i'm jus saying you'd have to do M4A + plus more. M4A is good just to get everyone access tom healthcare, but it won't solve the issues of health inequity by itself.

  • Jul 6, 2021
    Frog

    i'm jus saying you'd have to do M4A + plus more. M4A is good just to get everyone access tom healthcare, but it won't solve the issues of health inequity by itself.

    yup, even with equal access, what that access entails can be a very different thing depending on where you live

  • Jul 6, 2021
    Frog

    i'm jus saying you'd have to do M4A + plus more. M4A is good just to get everyone access tom healthcare, but it won't solve the issues of health inequity by itself.

    oh of course

    i was just using M4A loosely to talk about improving healthcare, not saying that’s the end goal

  • Jul 6, 2021
    Pexlivaniz

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/

    For the Bernsteinite tendency ITT

    one of my fav piece of theory learned so much from it like how we cant you reform or vote into socialism like u could do with feudalism cause the feudalistic society was based on code of law while capitalist was based on economic relations. would love to own a copy irl so I can reread see if I missed anything which I probably have due to the depth she goes in

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    spongebob

    tbh i think if US gets a living wage and universal healthcare/M4A whatever ends up being best that s*** will shift things everywhere,

    I’m not naïve but i like thinking about how good a step that’d be

    it helps but its just pacification of the masses imo
    just like the fdr new deal reforms; just like any labor union; just like any other progressive -- "we deserve a bigger portion of the imperialist plunder!"

    it wont move anyone forward; in fact it will move us backwards because of the pacification...

    anyway.. i've come to terms that socialism isn't going to happen in the u.s. cause the majority is white and the concept of whiteness was created to keep class solidarity while colonizing, enslaving.as long as people identify as white, identify as an "american" it wont happen, they benefit too much.

    imo in 100 years when those identities are deconstructed it could -- (im thinking the contradictions of class with the climate crisis will be too much).. until then, its a settler empire which is parasitic, and socialism is antithetical to that

  • Jul 6, 2021
    space0cadet

    it helps but its just pacification of the masses imo
    just like the fdr new deal reforms; just like any labor union; just like any other progressive -- "we deserve a bigger portion of the imperialist plunder!"

    it wont move anyone forward; in fact it will move us backwards because of the pacification...

    anyway.. i've come to terms that socialism isn't going to happen in the u.s. cause the majority is white and the concept of whiteness was created to keep class solidarity while colonizing, enslaving.as long as people identify as white, identify as an "american" it wont happen, they benefit too much.

    imo in 100 years when those identities are deconstructed it could -- (im thinking the contradictions of class with the climate crisis will be too much).. until then, its a settler empire which is parasitic, and socialism is antithetical to that

    it wont move anyone forward; in fact it will move us backwards because of the pacification...

    I've thought this before but lately I'm finding myself disagreeing as far as those two things, although "living wage" set at $15 is arbitrary (i was just using that as possible improvements as they're common platform items these days) and doesn't really get workplaces to where they need to be, universal healthcare

    I do wish that we could take these great leaps into socialism but if they implement solid healthcare for everyone and double the minimum wage essentially, I'll take that too.

    I'll literally take any improvement and acknowledge that s*** was better than what it was before, and then we can focus on the next step,

    And if it's a larger step, fantastic. But s*** gotta happen whether its by a foot or a mile it has 2 be pushed in every possible way

  • Jul 6, 2021
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    A lot of people doing performative s*** in govt as always, and too many think larger action is too radical and all that, which is bullshit and they should be pressed by the people they represent and their constituents but there's something about always saying

    "It's not enough" "it's not enough" that pisses me off. Of course it isn't

    That's f***ing evident. But its something. I don't think improvements set us back because I'd rather have something instead of All or Nothing and it's the Nothing everytime

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    This s*** annoying that there's no unity on the left cause everybody wanna get into their f***ing theory and s*** and it's like bro we need people in every possible place getting on board with even the smallest steps that just multiply

    All possible avenues

  • Jul 6, 2021
    space0cadet

    it helps but its just pacification of the masses imo
    just like the fdr new deal reforms; just like any labor union; just like any other progressive -- "we deserve a bigger portion of the imperialist plunder!"

    it wont move anyone forward; in fact it will move us backwards because of the pacification...

    anyway.. i've come to terms that socialism isn't going to happen in the u.s. cause the majority is white and the concept of whiteness was created to keep class solidarity while colonizing, enslaving.as long as people identify as white, identify as an "american" it wont happen, they benefit too much.

    imo in 100 years when those identities are deconstructed it could -- (im thinking the contradictions of class with the climate crisis will be too much).. until then, its a settler empire which is parasitic, and socialism is antithetical to that

    yeah... welfare reforms under the current system would just make people more placated under capitalism

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    Frog

    i'm jus saying you'd have to do M4A + plus more. M4A is good just to get everyone access tom healthcare, but it won't solve the issues of health inequity by itself.

    what else could you possibly want

  • Jul 6, 2021
    CLB Fractions

    what else could you possibly want

    thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-6736(91)93068-K/fulltext

    landmark study in understanding the beginning of unequal outcomes for health.

  • Jul 6, 2021
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    give me socialized medicine and healthcare and hospitals

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    Synopsis

    give me socialized medicine and healthcare and hospitals

    1st two yes, hospitals no.