Apr 25, 2021·1 reply
all i see is yall (replied to a blocked user) a bunch of times
Apr 25, 2021
Synopsis"is tolerance a socialist idea"
"Is not having more tolerance a socialist idea?"
Was the question I posed. I said we need more tolerance you said we don't.- Apr 25, 2021
americanasocialism isn’t evil. It’s a very pragmatic method to a hostile world
i do admit that the marxist emphasis on the collective over the individual in the initial stages of socialism does lead to perceptions of oppression and subservience, but it isn’t a bad sacrifice to make considering the benefits in the long run
thats a nice way to put it - Apr 25, 2021·1 replySynopsis
no we do not need to tolerate internet trolls
What makes me a troll through? I know I joke with you sometimes but when I get serious I get serious and I always make it clear when I'm joking. I think you need to lighten up a little bit that's all g
- Apr 25, 2021spongebob all i see is yall (replied to a blocked user) a bunch of times
LMFAO I'll be sad if he ever blocks me
- Apr 25, 2021·1 replyamericana
socialism isn’t evil. It’s a very pragmatic method to a hostile world
i do admit that the marxist emphasis on the collective over the individual in the initial stages of socialism does lead to perceptions of oppression and subservience, but it isn’t a bad sacrifice to make considering the benefits in the long run
I'm starting to get it. from what I'm getting, say we just bam did it in the US and everyone was on board. There's a chance it could succeed, but it would just be really really hard for everyone, for a while.
That's where I'm at with it right now - Apr 25, 2021·1 replysosAMG
What makes me a troll through? I know I joke with you sometimes but when I get serious I get serious and I always make it clear when I'm joking. I think you need to lighten up a little bit that's all g
I wasnt talking about you clown
- Apr 25, 2021Synopsis
I wasnt talking about you clown
Okay lol I was bout to say damn bruh, peep my above post and let me know what you think about it
- Apr 25, 2021
wrong tab lmffaoooo moving too fast
- Apr 25, 2021·1 reply
- Apr 25, 2021·1 replysosAMG
I'm starting to get it. from what I'm getting, say we just bam did it in the US and everyone was on board. There's a chance it could succeed, but it would just be really really hard for everyone, for a while.
That's where I'm at with it right nowit’s not that it would be really really hard because the material conditions are lacking. We are the richest and one of the most bountiful nations in the world
The real problem is that the people this country would never put in the collective effort to improve its own self, since gain would be collective and not personal. It’ll take a generation alone to remove the harmfully individualist and uncooperative rhetoric that so many Americans hold. From there we would have a strong psychological base of understanding in regards to mutualism, and people can finally see the immense and long term gain that comes from making the sacrifices that come with real baby steps.
Additionally, people would have to spend years converting skill sets from materially useless financial work and corporate positions to roles such as administration, agricultural, industry, and other roles.
Apr 25, 2021Womanpuncher69 - Apr 25, 2021·6 repliesamericana
it’s not that it would be really really hard because the material conditions are lacking. We are the richest and one of the most bountiful nations in the world
The real problem is that the people this country would never put in the collective effort to improve its own self, since gain would be collective and not personal. It’ll take a generation alone to remove the harmfully individualist and uncooperative rhetoric that so many Americans hold. From there we would have a strong psychological base of understanding in regards to mutualism, and people can finally see the immense and long term gain that comes from making the sacrifices that come with real baby steps.
Additionally, people would have to spend years converting skill sets from materially useless financial work and corporate positions to roles such as administration, agricultural, industry, and other roles.
But say me, I live with my mom, middle class, decent town, decent job, make music for a career
does all of that disappear?
Also i've heard takes that communism is just "sharing" and while obviously it's not just that, I do like that concept in general and feel like it could be done, in any idealism tbh I feel like there's a way governments could implement something of that sort. But like you said, it would take a generation.I wrote the first part before I read the last sentence of your post,see that part I don't like and that's why i say it would be hard. I don't know how to live off the land do you? they fight bears in russia that's probably why that s*** works a lil better lol
but I know we're talking socialism not communism so i'll bring it back.The part I don't understand is how are there no classes if someone has to run the show, idc how unified it is, someone is gonna have the power, right? dictator maybe?
- Apr 25, 2021·1 replysosAMG
But say me, I live with my mom, middle class, decent town, decent job, make music for a career
does all of that disappear?
Also i've heard takes that communism is just "sharing" and while obviously it's not just that, I do like that concept in general and feel like it could be done, in any idealism tbh I feel like there's a way governments could implement something of that sort. But like you said, it would take a generation.I wrote the first part before I read the last sentence of your post,see that part I don't like and that's why i say it would be hard. I don't know how to live off the land do you? they fight bears in russia that's probably why that s*** works a lil better lol
but I know we're talking socialism not communism so i'll bring it back.The part I don't understand is how are there no classes if someone has to run the show, idc how unified it is, someone is gonna have the power, right? dictator maybe?
sorry for not responding. I’m fasting and just broke my fast with my family. I’ll likely respond within the next few hours
- Apr 25, 2021americana
sorry for not responding. I’m fasting and just broke my fast with my family. I’ll likely respond within the next few hours
Heard, would also like to know what that means beyond surface level of just breaking of the fast if you don't mind . All good bro no rush just discussion
Apr 25, 2021sosAMGBut say me, I live with my mom, middle class, decent town, decent job, make music for a career
does all of that disappear?
Also i've heard takes that communism is just "sharing" and while obviously it's not just that, I do like that concept in general and feel like it could be done, in any idealism tbh I feel like there's a way governments could implement something of that sort. But like you said, it would take a generation.I wrote the first part before I read the last sentence of your post,see that part I don't like and that's why i say it would be hard. I don't know how to live off the land do you? they fight bears in russia that's probably why that s*** works a lil better lol
but I know we're talking socialism not communism so i'll bring it back.The part I don't understand is how are there no classes if someone has to run the show, idc how unified it is, someone is gonna have the power, right? dictator maybe?
Why would it disappear? You're allowed to make music and live with your mom in a Socialist society lol
The workers are in control, yes theres leaders but they are democratically elected subject to the people
Democracy is a fundamental building block of communism
- Apr 25, 2021·1 replysosAMG
But say me, I live with my mom, middle class, decent town, decent job, make music for a career
does all of that disappear?
Also i've heard takes that communism is just "sharing" and while obviously it's not just that, I do like that concept in general and feel like it could be done, in any idealism tbh I feel like there's a way governments could implement something of that sort. But like you said, it would take a generation.I wrote the first part before I read the last sentence of your post,see that part I don't like and that's why i say it would be hard. I don't know how to live off the land do you? they fight bears in russia that's probably why that s*** works a lil better lol
but I know we're talking socialism not communism so i'll bring it back.The part I don't understand is how are there no classes if someone has to run the show, idc how unified it is, someone is gonna have the power, right? dictator maybe?
So this is where propaganda actually plays a role in how people in the West view communism/socialism in a biased fashion and not just a reality of oogey boogy sharing tootbrush work in the fields.
The underlying issue is never been your middle class life or even rich people, and the goal has never been to remove you from such a lifestyle, or forcing you to share your personal property with people you don’t know.
Rather, the issue is the construction of society around capital and currency rather than the human condition and human needs (capitalism, socialism, right in the names), and how focusing society on the generation of abstract value in the form of currency over the meeting of material needs leads to workplace exploitation. This, in effect, leads a snowball of societal issues that create of an overarching mechanism to keep the system going.
So essentially this boils down to people like Marx or myself believing that the exploitation of people for the sake of capital is not justifiable whatsoever. It’s not about being rich, it’s about how you acquired wealth.
You don’t have to live off land and live in barracks and share a toothbrush. Communism/Socialism is not about that. EVERY person SHOULD have access to the lifestyle we live. It’s about bringing power to common people like you and I, who collectively should be getting far more than we currently make, and essentially pivoting society to meet the needs of the people within it before currency and capital become a an issue.
Sure, it’ll mean you work more. But every person should have to carry their load in the world, and as people who live in the first world, we must pick up the slack that we have handed off to laborers in places like South America, Africa, Southeast Asia, etc.
I’ll talk about fasting in a second post momentarily. But you should remember that the aim of leftist movements is to
a) universally democratize the workplace so workers are properly represented within their economic firm.
b) use this newfound representation to change priorities in economies from profit margins and growth to sustenance and worker satisfaction
c) as a whole, be able to foster a strong sense of worldwide cooperation and mutualism to free ourselves from the millennia-long shackles of competition. As an effect, this leads to why we call communism, since the state and the nationalism is essentially obsolete - Apr 25, 2021sosAMG
But say me, I live with my mom, middle class, decent town, decent job, make music for a career
does all of that disappear?
Also i've heard takes that communism is just "sharing" and while obviously it's not just that, I do like that concept in general and feel like it could be done, in any idealism tbh I feel like there's a way governments could implement something of that sort. But like you said, it would take a generation.I wrote the first part before I read the last sentence of your post,see that part I don't like and that's why i say it would be hard. I don't know how to live off the land do you? they fight bears in russia that's probably why that s*** works a lil better lol
but I know we're talking socialism not communism so i'll bring it back.The part I don't understand is how are there no classes if someone has to run the show, idc how unified it is, someone is gonna have the power, right? dictator maybe?
Just a small tidbit to add to Americanas point -- USSR was socialist just FYI.
There has never been a classless stateless society in the modern era - Apr 25, 2021·edited·1 replysosAMG
But say me, I live with my mom, middle class, decent town, decent job, make music for a career
does all of that disappear?
Also i've heard takes that communism is just "sharing" and while obviously it's not just that, I do like that concept in general and feel like it could be done, in any idealism tbh I feel like there's a way governments could implement something of that sort. But like you said, it would take a generation.I wrote the first part before I read the last sentence of your post,see that part I don't like and that's why i say it would be hard. I don't know how to live off the land do you? they fight bears in russia that's probably why that s*** works a lil better lol
but I know we're talking socialism not communism so i'll bring it back.The part I don't understand is how are there no classes if someone has to run the show, idc how unified it is, someone is gonna have the power, right? dictator maybe?
socialism/communism is mostly about sharing in the sense of workplace dynamics.
"individualism" is a boss, who sits on their ass, takes 1/2 of the workers profit while the workers do all of the work
"sharing" is workers receiving all of the profit.
"individualism" is a boss who direct their workers in an authoritarian fashion.
"sharing" is forming workers collectives to democratically decide what to do.
socialism/communism isn't about taking away what your family has earned. nonsense. it is a workers ideology. it is FOR THE PEOPLE. why would they take away your hard earned s***?
in the large sense this comes from the concept of land reform which is so prevalent in third world revolutions across the world -- emiliano zapata, mao zedong, etc.
the privately owned large estates which are barely even utilized (around 5% is used) across south america especially keeps the masses in poverty -- because obviously they can't grow their own food on it, because its privately owned, among other reasons.
to give a liberalized example, land reform happened in the united states; FDR.
yeah. land reform takes away peoples s***, but that's when they deserve it, because it is subjecting people to poverty.
there is a lot to learn; a lot of patterns to see in developing as a marxist. we always go back to history. again, if you want to actually learn, read some marxist history books to understand why we believe these tenets will fix the problems of capitalism.
- Apr 25, 2021·editedsosAMG
But say me, I live with my mom, middle class, decent town, decent job, make music for a career
does all of that disappear?
Also i've heard takes that communism is just "sharing" and while obviously it's not just that, I do like that concept in general and feel like it could be done, in any idealism tbh I feel like there's a way governments could implement something of that sort. But like you said, it would take a generation.I wrote the first part before I read the last sentence of your post,see that part I don't like and that's why i say it would be hard. I don't know how to live off the land do you? they fight bears in russia that's probably why that s*** works a lil better lol
but I know we're talking socialism not communism so i'll bring it back.The part I don't understand is how are there no classes if someone has to run the show, idc how unified it is, someone is gonna have the power, right? dictator maybe?
The part I don't understand is how are there no classes if someone has to run the show, idc how unified it is, someone is gonna have the power, right? dictator maybe?
doesn't western democracy have dictatorships? dictatorships of capital? you know that all of our presidents have been millionares/billionares and act solely in the corporates interests while the masses starve?
doesn't western democracy overthrow countries and install dictators for the purpose of capital? for the purpose of making 'suitable investments'? (see salvador allende, a democractically elected socialist, overthrown by cia, augusto pinochet, cia funded, was put into power)
when you think of dictatorship under socialism; you think of stalin. imagine a f***ing world war destroying your country; brutal offensives on your country. you're going to have a tight grip. yes, he made some wrong moves. what we do is take that, and learn from it, and we have.
to wash socialism/communism as a dictatorship is ignorant, because there have been several "democractically elected" in the sense of liberal democracy, socialist presidents.
- Apr 26, 2021·1 replyamericana
So this is where propaganda actually plays a role in how people in the West view communism/socialism in a biased fashion and not just a reality of oogey boogy sharing tootbrush work in the fields.
The underlying issue is never been your middle class life or even rich people, and the goal has never been to remove you from such a lifestyle, or forcing you to share your personal property with people you don’t know.
Rather, the issue is the construction of society around capital and currency rather than the human condition and human needs (capitalism, socialism, right in the names), and how focusing society on the generation of abstract value in the form of currency over the meeting of material needs leads to workplace exploitation. This, in effect, leads a snowball of societal issues that create of an overarching mechanism to keep the system going.
So essentially this boils down to people like Marx or myself believing that the exploitation of people for the sake of capital is not justifiable whatsoever. It’s not about being rich, it’s about how you acquired wealth.
You don’t have to live off land and live in barracks and share a toothbrush. Communism/Socialism is not about that. EVERY person SHOULD have access to the lifestyle we live. It’s about bringing power to common people like you and I, who collectively should be getting far more than we currently make, and essentially pivoting society to meet the needs of the people within it before currency and capital become a an issue.
Sure, it’ll mean you work more. But every person should have to carry their load in the world, and as people who live in the first world, we must pick up the slack that we have handed off to laborers in places like South America, Africa, Southeast Asia, etc.
I’ll talk about fasting in a second post momentarily. But you should remember that the aim of leftist movements is to
a) universally democratize the workplace so workers are properly represented within their economic firm.
b) use this newfound representation to change priorities in economies from profit margins and growth to sustenance and worker satisfaction
c) as a whole, be able to foster a strong sense of worldwide cooperation and mutualism to free ourselves from the millennia-long shackles of competition. As an effect, this leads to why we call communism, since the state and the nationalism is essentially obsoleteReal short form response but I understand about 99% of what you said. Also despite what criticisms people have, I’m a fan of Russia (biased because of Call Of Duty world at war lool) but beyond jokes, communism seems to kind of work over there from what I see.
I’m not sure if they’ve progressed their homosexual laws yet and things like that I know in 2013ish there was a Russian video of someone gay being attacked and everything is kosher
But these people have modern cars etc etc. Russian PEOPLE are just different different.
But overall I get how communism can almost work, as well as socialism.
So from my knowledge so far I don’t believe either is “evil” I’m still stuck on how hard it would be to switch over. Americans don’t want change and even if they all did the sudden switch would be too muchAlso you’re another poster I appreciate if I get my final perma today even with minimal interaction
- Apr 26, 2021
Bro Russia isn't communist
? - Apr 26, 2021
Aight im done.