Harlem

1y

Hey you're the one who said it

Choking

1y

where does he say that

snowboyrari

1y

state and revolution chapter 1

Choking

1y

yeah it’s about the irreconcilability not reconciliation

Choking

1y

“This expresses with perfect clarity the basic idea of Marxism with regard to the historical role and the meaning of the state. The state is a product and a manifestation of the irreconcilability of class antagonisms. The state arises where, when and insofar as class antagonism objectively cannot be reconciled. And, conversely, the existence of the state proves that the class antagonisms are irreconcilable.“

Choking

1y

where does he say that

Choking

1y

“This expresses with perfect clarity the basic idea of Marxism with regard to the historical role and the meaning of the state. The state is a product and a manifestation of the irreconcilability of class antagonisms. The state arises where, when and insofar as class antagonism objectively cannot be reconciled. And, conversely, the existence of the state proves that the class antagonisms are irreconcilable.“

Choking

1y

yeah it’s about the irreconcilability not reconciliation

Choking

1y

“This expresses with perfect clarity the basic idea of Marxism with regard to the historical role and the meaning of the state. The state is a product and a manifestation of the irreconcilability of class antagonisms. The state arises where, when and insofar as class antagonism objectively cannot be reconciled. And, conversely, the existence of the state proves that the class antagonisms are irreconcilable.“

PFLP optimisticman

1y

At what age and how were u guys introduced to marxism? I was probably like 17 and my gateway was noam chomsky

sniper

1y

https://goingagainstthetide.org/2025/05/25/they-not-like-us/

sniper

1y

https://goingagainstthetide.org/2025/05/25/they-not-like-us/

fun guy

1y

do not engage with ACP weirdos

MrMudManMood

1y

What's weird about the ACP?

Don't know much about them at all but I've been seeing stuff I think is related to them online more frequently lately

krishna bound

1y

the more people i meet who are extremely wealthy/powerful the more i can basically conclude all of the actual bourgeois falls into the camp of marxist or stirnerite
at a high level, whether they know it or not, lots of really powerful people basically operate through either A) marxist economics in principle, even if they aren't aware of such or B) complete and utter bullshit that flies in the face of virtually any economic theory because they dont care
anytime you see some guy in the credit industry who made a f***tilion dollars doing lending or something, just know there is a 90% chance he did so applying marxist economic principles. any time you see someone who made a decision that is so insanely stupid (see: likely the current board at Klarna) just know its because they dont think or care about the reality of economics.
side not as well but a lot of the bourgeois (and i mean actual like, old money bourgeois) in europe openly identify as communist. it's really funny.

xxxkiraxxx

1y

Can you go into detail about how these people operate within Marxist economics? People recommend The People's Republic of Walmart but idk if you can take that serious. I‘ll read it soon tho to see what‘s up. Also, any examples of old-money bourgeois families in Europe who are openly communists? In Turkey, there’s an ongoing joke that communist parties tend to overperform in some of Istanbul’s wealthiest districts. For example, in Kadıköy — one of the most expensive areas in the city — the TKP and their mayoral candidate received 10% of the vote, which is remarkable considering the party didn’t even crack 0.5% nationwide. There’s definitely some truth to this pattern because of obvious reasons like Access to Higher Education, metropolisation (best universities in major cities, better education often including exposure to critical theory) etc. but I’d still say it’s a stretch to claim that most of the bourgeoisie are Marxists

krishna bound

1y

I'm not as much saying that all of the bourgeois are card-carrying communists as much i think many of them operate on the same assumptions and principles found in marxism as a science or the inverse beliefs of ML as a political system.
With the economic part I mention prior, it surprises a lot of people how many rich finance people do not operate under MMT vs Austrian Economics or something of the sort; lots of them are well aware (at times, consciously and actively) about concepts like EV, TRPF, and LTV (just as simple examples among others).
I've heard investors openly reference concepts like this as economic justifications for why investments do/don't make sense or expectations about economic outcomes. Don't get me wrong, there are also incredibly rich people who are true believers in austrian economics (i.e. thiel, musk), but you'd be surprised where the lines get drawn there even by people who are likely directly in their earshot.
As a political system by comparison, I remember there was a post like 1000 pages ago in this thread which was like "my friend read the communist manifesto and came back to me like damn i gotta become the bourgeois fr". Now, imagine you are the bourgeois already and you read it. If you're smart enough to know it's not nonsense you will have one of two reactions:
A) "Damn I gotta stay the bourgeois fr"
B) "Damn I gotta not get eaten by the proletariat fr"
Words cannot express how much these two individual points have shaped the entirety of european bourgeois (particularly old money) culture. Separately, there is also a specific class of old money families ("old" being more modern to a degree) who trace their old money to the fall of the USSR rather than turn-of-the-century capitalism. There are a lot of families spread throughout central/western europe who are basically like "yeah my father/grandfather was a high ranking xyz in the CCCP and on the collapse of the soviet union we basically became billionaires". Funny enough, a lot of these people are still true believers to the extent they can be in the USSR and typically Khrushchev/pre-Khrushchev communism (and typically are very close with the Chinese government in my experience as well). There is a guy who is one of the biggest entertainment industry investors in France whose family is like this and he literally has like giant pics of lenin and stalin in his home in Paris. This sounds like something idiosyncratic to one guy but i can guarantee you it is not

krishna bound

1y

I'm not as much saying that all of the bourgeois are card-carrying communists as much i think many of them operate on the same assumptions and principles found in marxism as a science or the inverse beliefs of ML as a political system.
With the economic part I mention prior, it surprises a lot of people how many rich finance people do not operate under MMT vs Austrian Economics or something of the sort; lots of them are well aware (at times, consciously and actively) about concepts like EV, TRPF, and LTV (just as simple examples among others).
I've heard investors openly reference concepts like this as economic justifications for why investments do/don't make sense or expectations about economic outcomes. Don't get me wrong, there are also incredibly rich people who are true believers in austrian economics (i.e. thiel, musk), but you'd be surprised where the lines get drawn there even by people who are likely directly in their earshot.
As a political system by comparison, I remember there was a post like 1000 pages ago in this thread which was like "my friend read the communist manifesto and came back to me like damn i gotta become the bourgeois fr". Now, imagine you are the bourgeois already and you read it. If you're smart enough to know it's not nonsense you will have one of two reactions:
A) "Damn I gotta stay the bourgeois fr"
B) "Damn I gotta not get eaten by the proletariat fr"
Words cannot express how much these two individual points have shaped the entirety of european bourgeois (particularly old money) culture. Separately, there is also a specific class of old money families ("old" being more modern to a degree) who trace their old money to the fall of the USSR rather than turn-of-the-century capitalism. There are a lot of families spread throughout central/western europe who are basically like "yeah my father/grandfather was a high ranking xyz in the CCCP and on the collapse of the soviet union we basically became billionaires". Funny enough, a lot of these people are still true believers to the extent they can be in the USSR and typically Khrushchev/pre-Khrushchev communism (and typically are very close with the Chinese government in my experience as well). There is a guy who is one of the biggest entertainment industry investors in France whose family is like this and he literally has like giant pics of lenin and stalin in his home in Paris. This sounds like something idiosyncratic to one guy but i can guarantee you it is not

Sir Real

1y

The Austrians - particularly Hayek - are actually pretty clear eyed when it comes to understanding how capitalism works. But their response is “and this is a good thing lol”