I’m sure the starving gazan children buried under rubble appreciate his meaningful sacrifice. White savior bullshit

You clearly have no idea what trotskyism or permanent revolution even is. Sit down lil bro

Did he even mention anything socialist/marxist except for the overlapping desire for palеstinian libеration i dont remember

I love when these dumbasses just use trotskyism as a buzzword for anything counter revolutionary. The western left for u

i too dislike Stalin

R u a communist?

Trotsky’s permanent revolution is a load of bullshit that takes a material concept from Marx and transforms it into a political morality. The fact you can’t draw conclusions or observations outside of literal text here isn’t my fault. Like yeah I’m aware Trotsky does not literally say the things I’m accusing him of, that’s the point lol

do you also think Stalin and Mao weren’t real marxists or what

You havent made a substantial reply to anything i said so i guess we’re done

You’re right it’s not meaningful unless there’s suicide involved apparently lmfao

How about u actually read some socialist theory by lenin,mao, stalin? U come off like the typical online leftist who doesnt read

yall can enjoy that

getting off from the main topic now, but how is PerRev a political morality to be fair i haven’t read it, but from reading a bunch of soviet history in general, Trotsky denounced the work for being not relevant during the 30s cause the material conditions weren’t the same anymore (failure of german revolution) until he got expelled then he took it back up again i’m pretty sure

Stalin often used the word trotskiest the way u accuse Krishna of using it, have u read any great purge documents and seen how ridiculous the charge of trotskyism became, literally just ended up meaning being against the party

When Marx talks about rêtärding the reduction of capital he’s talking about you

Permanent revolution is just advocating for a simultaneous workers revolution in Europe as opposed to stalins theory of socialism in one country. It has nothing to do with whatever point he was trying to make

I don’t have any issue inherently with Permanent Revolution. The issue is the extrapolation of it, which to be fair isn’t Trotsky’s fault, it’s just a lineage of the concept. I think the original concept of it made sense even as Trotsky wrote about it - the justification made sense for the time. The problem is over time its adoption as a principle by increasingly anti-“Stalinist” parties turned it into some form of saying “actually anything you do which supports the ideology of socialism is good”. I don’t think it’s innately Trotsky’s fault as much as being an ideological casualty of history that the idea ironically got divorced from revolution and turned into this idea that actions are/are not justified not materially but instead how they fall under intentional ideological lines

Yes, and the fact that is that anti-Stalinist parties turned this concept of advocacy over time into increasingly divorced ideas that trickled down into believing anything that is voiced in the direction of “socialism” is therefore meaningful (which is a moral judgement since at that point it is not in fact based on material change). Not Trotsky’s fault but it is indeed what happened. You don’t end up with slop “communism in name alone” euro “socialists” who think s*** like “not showering is an act of praxis” without parties that were handed down from Trotskyist origins.

The nerdiest way to diss someone ive ever seen

too simplified of an answer to mean anything both of these concepts changed over time in their meaning with the respective person using em like socialism in one country didn’t entirely mean the same thing to Bukharian, or Stalin , and an “integration”vs “isolationist” into the world economy was more important during the trotsky and stalin feuds of the 30s (as well as the 20s). In the 30s like i mentioned in the other post Trotsky was denouncing Perm Rev (saying it’s not relevant to the current debates) when others brought it up until he got expelled and unfortunately and ironically started trotskyism like his opponents were accusing him off

Stupidest thread🤣🤣thank god for the ACP

kys infront of ur mom