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  • Jun 21, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    this doesnt make sense because the purges were extremely popular in the USSR and had the support of the masses who rallied around Stalin and the left-wing of the cpsu. the GPCR was even more popular and went deeper in rooting out bourgeois culture. and not only was it popular domestically but it inspired maoists around the world to adhere to cultural revolution as a program. we're talking millions of people. it even inspired a copycat event in Albania with the Albanian communists claiming they could do it better.

    normal people dont actually care about anticommunist propaganda about "mass executions" I can assure you, it is only the domain of internet debate bros.

    Purges literally started from the bottom management with support of workers (show trials were popular) and then got eventual support at the Stalin level

  • Jun 21, 2024

    I ain’t arguing purges with anyone who hasn’t read Magnetic Mountain at least

  • Jun 21, 2024
    WRU

    Purges literally started from the bottom management with support of workers (show trials were popular) and then got eventual support at the Stalin level

    this is correct

  • Jun 21, 2024
    snowboyrari

    this doesnt make sense because the purges were extremely popular in the USSR and had the support of the masses who rallied around Stalin and the left-wing of the cpsu. the GPCR was even more popular and went deeper in rooting out bourgeois culture. and not only was it popular domestically but it inspired maoists around the world to adhere to cultural revolution as a program. we're talking millions of people. it even inspired a copycat event in Albania with the Albanian communists claiming they could do it better.

    normal people dont actually care about anticommunist propaganda about "mass executions" I can assure you, it is only the domain of internet debate bros.

    If you say so

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    this doesnt make sense because the purges were extremely popular in the USSR and had the support of the masses who rallied around Stalin and the left-wing of the cpsu. the GPCR was even more popular and went deeper in rooting out bourgeois culture. and not only was it popular domestically but it inspired maoists around the world to adhere to cultural revolution as a program. we're talking millions of people. it even inspired a copycat event in Albania with the Albanian communists claiming they could do it better.

    normal people dont actually care about anticommunist propaganda about "mass executions" I can assure you, it is only the domain of internet debate bros.

    just cause the purges were popular doesn’t mean innocent people didn’t die in em also the popularity stemming from stalins line dictating the terms of information on the purges the masses received, they were done messily and Stalin was paranoid, the whole bolshevik party was, which was leftover from the revolutionary era where conspiracies were much more real, there was no reason to go arresting students who can broadly be suspect as “trots”conducting a reading group who in actuality posed no threat to power.

    Also the great purges let be frank were a failure, it didn’t eradicate bourgeois culture as we can see the political elite losing faith in socialism and selling out to americanism during the collapse, and if u wanna blame that on cornboy setting in revisionism the great purges also missed him and many other like him. Also just cause the GPCR had influences from the great purge doesn’t mean anything about the great purge being overly positive, there’s a reason why instead of killing Mao jailed Liu Shaoqi instead.

  • Jun 21, 2024
    krishna bound

    spend 10 seconds on any social media and you'll understand why stalin had a divine right to the purges

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    Elric

    This post for instance seems to acknowledge how ridiculous it is that even his most crucial diplomats weren't above Stalin's paranoia

    He threw Molotovs dang wife into the gulag his chief negotiator that he trusted with the Soviet Unions most crucial international relations

    didn’t Molotov divorce his wife cause of Stalin, never heard of her being thrown in the gulag

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    Choking

    just cause the purges were popular doesn’t mean innocent people didn’t die in em also the popularity stemming from stalins line dictating the terms of information on the purges the masses received, they were done messily and Stalin was paranoid, the whole bolshevik party was, which was leftover from the revolutionary era where conspiracies were much more real, there was no reason to go arresting students who can broadly be suspect as “trots”conducting a reading group who in actuality posed no threat to power.

    Also the great purges let be frank were a failure, it didn’t eradicate bourgeois culture as we can see the political elite losing faith in socialism and selling out to americanism during the collapse, and if u wanna blame that on cornboy setting in revisionism the great purges also missed him and many other like him. Also just cause the GPCR had influences from the great purge doesn’t mean anything about the great purge being overly positive, there’s a reason why instead of killing Mao jailed Liu Shaoqi instead.

    yes, it failed to eradicate bourgeois culture because it didnt turn into a cultural revolution, I already said that. it succeeded temporarily in eliminating the collaborationist fifth column within the soviet state which allowed the red army to win the war, that alone is worthy of praise.

    who cares that "innocent people" got caught up in it? the net negative of this has to be weighed against what the net negative of capitalist restoration eventually was/would've been under a diminished ussr partially controlled by hitler. that certain people were targeted was inevitable due to the communist party's underdeveloped understanding of revisionism stemming from backward individuals within the party (vs. the later Maoist understanding of revisionism being always imminent to class struggle under socialism).

    all this stuff about cpsu "paranoia" though is just an incoherent trotskyist distortion of events, I'm not entertaining it with a serious response because its worthless.

  • Jun 21, 2024
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    Choking

    didn’t Molotov divorce his wife cause of Stalin, never heard of her being thrown in the gulag

    She was too much of a bougie jewess so, like alot of his inner circle, Stalin let it slide until it suited him to s*** can her

  • Jun 21, 2024
    Elric

    She was too much of a bougie jewess so, like alot of his inner circle, Stalin let it slide until it suited him to s*** can her

    Hitler discussing Mussolini's relationship with Margherita Sarfatti

  • Jun 22, 2024
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    naxalites starting to cross into myanmar to capture border towns

  • Jun 22, 2024
    snowboyrari

    naxalites starting to cross into myanmar to capture border towns

    the revolution will cross national boundaries

  • Jun 22, 2024
    snowboyrari

    naxalites starting to cross into myanmar to capture border towns

  • Jun 22, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    naxalites starting to cross into myanmar to capture border towns

    Do you have a link to this? Not seeing it on RedSpark

  • Jun 22, 2024
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    Sir Real

    Do you have a link to this? Not seeing it on RedSpark

    eng.mizzima.com/2024/02/20/7315

    this claims they collaborated with the tatmadaw to take control of those villages but I seriously doubt it

  • Jun 23, 2024
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    PFLP optimisticman

    I got banned from r/socialism for mentioning the Soviet Union unjustly invaded iran

    Why would you share that you post on Reddit then expect people to take you seriously

  • Jun 23, 2024
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    fun guy

    Why would you share that you post on Reddit then expect people to take you seriously

    Why would I care if people on a hip-hop forum take me seriously? Sounds like a case of glass houses

  • Also I use lots of online platforms

  • Jun 23, 2024
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    PFLP optimisticman

    Why would I care if people on a hip-hop forum take me seriously? Sounds like a case of glass houses

    You seem to argue your ideas in earnest here

    You do want to be taken seriously

  • Jun 23, 2024
    eye contact

    You seem to argue your ideas in earnest here

    You do want to be taken seriously

    right, its so wild how dudes will spend 4 pages straight arguing only to toss out "youre taking it too seriously" once the chips are down. brodie doth protest too much.

  • Jun 23, 2024
    PFLP optimisticman

    I'd upgrade to leninist before I try to jump to maoism imo

    Buddy doesn't have the skill tree points

  • Jun 23, 2024
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    ANARCHY NOW

  • Jun 23, 2024
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    Abel serenade uhuh

    ANARCHY NOW

    you already have that babe, the anarchy of the market infects everything

  • Jun 23, 2024
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    snowboyrari

    you already have that babe, the anarchy of the market infects everything

    Oof looks like we have to redefine anarchism in this thread I guess - anarchy is the prelude of any egalitarian society