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  • Jan 26, 2024
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    twntytwntys

    I’ll keep it short and honest, I’m on the border with communism and capitalism. I see both sides like Chanel. I won’t even get into it too deeply (unless yall ask).

    How is okay or even remotely possible for the Castros to be worth 1 BILLION and the population to be on the brink of starvation?

    the Castros were land owners under Bautista and their lands were among the first to be distributed during collectivization, maybe its the data from that period. I would also think that Castro's 'net worth' is tied to him being at the helm of Cuban government and because of the way it is organized some might interpret it as personal worth. of course that is a very bad faith interpretation of the matter

  • Jan 26, 2024
    twntytwntys

    I’ll keep it short and honest, I’m on the border with communism and capitalism. I see both sides like Chanel. I won’t even get into it too deeply (unless yall ask).

    How is okay or even remotely possible for the Castros to be worth 1 BILLION and the population to be on the brink of starvation?

    Those numbers are because journalists attribute state resources to political leaders, which only makes sense when you have the assumption that they’re autocratic dictators. Same way people attribute billions to Xi Jinping’s net worth because of his role at the helm of the CPC

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    WRU

    the Castros were land owners under Bautista and their lands were among the first to be distributed during collectivization, maybe its the data from that period. I would also think that Castro's 'net worth' is tied to him being at the helm of Cuban government and because of the way it is organized some might interpret it as personal worth. of course that is a very bad faith interpretation of the matter

    Fidel was an illegitimate son born to a maid of the household thougj

  • Jan 26, 2024
    WRU

    the Castros were land owners under Bautista and their lands were among the first to be distributed during collectivization, maybe its the data from that period. I would also think that Castro's 'net worth' is tied to him being at the helm of Cuban government and because of the way it is organized some might interpret it as personal worth. of course that is a very bad faith interpretation of the matter

    You’re actually right

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/?sh=80439db6d769#:~:text=Cuba's%20revolution%20leader%20wasn't,socialist%20rationing%20for%20one%20person.

    Forbes was among the first to place that net worth on Castro, and they counted his childhood home (once again, his mom was a house maid and his dad ignored him) and state industries for that wealth

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    twntytwntys

    I’ll keep it short and honest, I’m on the border with communism and capitalism. I see both sides like Chanel. I won’t even get into it too deeply (unless yall ask).

    How is okay or even remotely possible for the Castros to be worth 1 BILLION and the population to be on the brink of starvation?

    if you genuinely think Fidel Castro was worth 1 billion dollars I don’t know what to tell you

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    Elric

    Also all the Politburo and all their fancy dachas and mansions. Maybe Stalin was kind of spartan but the rest weren't.

    theres a bit of politricks involved in my response but yeah we just mentioned it in the commie discord that NEP allowed for the creation of people who took advantage of capitalistic policies of the late 20s and then it would result in these people acquiring political presence within the party. this would also introduce a very vast network of middle management looking to get a slice of whatever resources were coming through them

    my thoughts on that is first of all, the purges were publicly supported and taken further exactly because of that happening. people really were expunging their managers for corruption, same way they did to thieves etc. from my own perspective I just think of it as the outcome of a political system allowing privileges for people aligning with it. socialist formations are not immune to that, and I believe that Mao was taking note of that happening in the USSR to then ensure it doesn't happen the same in communist China some years later

    is it kinda f***ed -- yes, but the disparagement wasn't as apparent as it is apparent today under capitalism for example. way I see just how much a handful of people has in their possession over general populace it leaves me thinking 'maybe one more dacha isnt as bad in comparison..' but thats just my opinion. to me its a moral judgement when in reality people will be on the lookout for themselves for quite a while even, and dare I say especially, under a new mode of production and that doesn't seem too contradictory to me

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    eye contact

    Fidel was an illegitimate son born to a maid of the household thougj

    ah aite. I dont remember much from Fidels personal life other than him f***ing mad hoes and wearing two Rollies on one hand (the only important things to know about Fidel)

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    WRU

    ah aite. I dont remember much from Fidels personal life other than him f***ing mad hoes and wearing two Rollies on one hand (the only important things to know about Fidel)

    Invented the euro step too

  • Jan 26, 2024
    eye contact

    Invented the euro step too

    bro was only second to Lenin in his power to bend the history according to his will (making his patchy ass beard so iconic)

  • Jan 26, 2024
    WRU

    theres a bit of politricks involved in my response but yeah we just mentioned it in the commie discord that NEP allowed for the creation of people who took advantage of capitalistic policies of the late 20s and then it would result in these people acquiring political presence within the party. this would also introduce a very vast network of middle management looking to get a slice of whatever resources were coming through them

    my thoughts on that is first of all, the purges were publicly supported and taken further exactly because of that happening. people really were expunging their managers for corruption, same way they did to thieves etc. from my own perspective I just think of it as the outcome of a political system allowing privileges for people aligning with it. socialist formations are not immune to that, and I believe that Mao was taking note of that happening in the USSR to then ensure it doesn't happen the same in communist China some years later

    is it kinda f***ed -- yes, but the disparagement wasn't as apparent as it is apparent today under capitalism for example. way I see just how much a handful of people has in their possession over general populace it leaves me thinking 'maybe one more dacha isnt as bad in comparison..' but thats just my opinion. to me its a moral judgement when in reality people will be on the lookout for themselves for quite a while even, and dare I say especially, under a new mode of production and that doesn't seem too contradictory to me

    a non sarcastic response that doesn't ignore reality thank you

    Makes a lot of sense and I can see how parts of the population would support the purges in that scenario.

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    @americana this is random but do you need an И for your name by any chance? I can freak it in all cyrilics so it looks consistent too if u want

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    WRU

    @americana this is random but do you need an И for your name by any chance? I can freak it in all cyrilics so it looks consistent too if u want

    Site won’t let me put it in my display name u feel

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    Yeah I just read up on it and I believe Castro. Forbes is hot trash. But then at the same time, what about his granddaughter buying a mansion? There’s obviously SOME wealth there

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    eye contact

    Site won’t let me put it in my display name u feel

    Russophobia at an all-time high

  • Jan 26, 2024
    WRU

    Russophobia at an all-time high

    No cap

  • Jan 26, 2024
    twntytwntys

    Yeah I just read up on it and I believe Castro. Forbes is hot trash. But then at the same time, what about his granddaughter buying a mansion? There’s obviously SOME wealth there

    The mansion was owned by a Chilean businessman who was an associate to the party, who was then expelled in 2010. It was then leased to AirBnB which she used to rent it for a year or so, and it seems she’s purchased it after

    Doesn’t seem so extra against of a story

  • Jan 26, 2024
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    WRU

    also using movies to 'educate' yourself on the history of the country is hilarious lowkey prime westerner with their 'consumption as way of understanding the world' mindset

    must've watched them s***s like 'haha how did they fall for that' with his creased copy of 1984 on the shelf

    “The cinema is for us the most important of the arts"

    • Lenin

    I know it is hilarious and easy to roast, but at the same time it's better than thinking you know a country from the way Hollywood portrays it (and I can't afford to travel everywhere I wanna experience). The films and docs are the closest you can get to really experiencing historical moments in time for a country and you can learn a lot from studying the artistic freedoms allowed.

    I will get cooked for this but I believe it's the job of the artist to convey the truth, especially when you can't get it from your government. In the 20s, when USSR was objectively not a dictatorship, they were cranking out around 130 films per year which helped spread socialism all over the world with things like Strike! And Potemkin. Naturally, everybody had their own definition of socialism so the party relied on filmmakers own fervent feeling about socialism to crank them out while they slowly wrestled control of the new government, but eventually the Bolsheviks wanted artistically worthwhile, commercially successful and politically correct films (unrealistic) so 130 a year trickled down to 35 films per year by 1933 as Stalin tightened his grip on the industry (in addition to banning all imported films) and anybody that didn't toe the line was gonna fking regret it. Just a microcosm of what was happening everywhere and it definitely did not help their cause at all. They CC themselves saw how barren Soviet culture had become as a result, and worried that "films no longer served the agitational needs of the party" and backpedaled on the previous position of only making politically correct masterpieces. Even as early as '52, Malenkov was devoting speeches to address the problem which is why we started to get actual interesting cinema from the USSR again after the thaw but it would never reach the heights of the 20s again.

  • Jan 26, 2024

    If yall were wondering what kinda communist I am, this is who I uphold:

  • Jan 27, 2024
    Naxalite

    This is a good starting point because the literature will probably have a lot of buzzwords you're not familiar with. It's stalin explaining Marxism Leninism

    !https://youtu.be/xSb5OH9b2lE?si=-5ItAmHGN_o7nNBc

    s4a

  • Jan 27, 2024
    WRU

    not sure how thats enough to educate the masses of the ussr but not me.

    'you wasn't there'

    you weren't in the purge trenches

  • Jan 27, 2024
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    Elric

    yes well unfortunately I dont see any one ideology worth committing to

    Commit to the ideology of flexing on these hoes

  • Jan 27, 2024
    Elric

    damn Stalin deepthroating Roosevelt in this interview

  • Jan 27, 2024
    p apollo

    if you genuinely think Fidel Castro was worth 1 billion dollars I don’t know what to tell you

    U can't put a price on the euro-step king

  • Jan 27, 2024
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    spongebob

    Commit to the ideology of flexing on these hoes

    I do crank some Victor and flex on them

  • Jan 27, 2024
    Naxalite

    This is a good starting point because the literature will probably have a lot of buzzwords you're not familiar with. It's stalin explaining Marxism Leninism

    !https://youtu.be/xSb5OH9b2lE?si=-5ItAmHGN_o7nNBc

    man brought up Ford