deadacc

5y

and tbh i dont care about life expectancy as much as quality of life and our food in the US is so s***ty lol

countries like mexico and japan got such incredible delicious and cheap fresh foods while in the us we got trashy ass food that's made like trash and treated like trash.
if u ever worked in food you'd kno what im talking about

CLB Fractions

5y

yea i would want kids haha.

leftism sounds great to people who dont have anything. but life would suck if there were no luxury goods if everyone had a benz its nothing special anymore. if everyone had the same thing that would be one boring life. 🤷‍♂️

deadacc

5y

i mean making life better for people and forcing everybody into sterilized identical lives is just a misconception i feel like was propagated by corporations into american culture.

way i see it is that your kids and their kids are gonna have to live in our society and if you care about their future and their happiness it would only be mutually beneficial to care about society at large instead of letting these problems continue to fester and get even worse and forcing them to deal with the consequences.

plus it's not like there can't be luxury goods in a socialist US. i think the key factor that gets lost in these discussions is that self determination is the most important factor. and if the world you want to live in is one w both equality and the ability to have luxury goods it's totally fine as long as it's not a compromise against the goal of socialism.

CLB Fractions

5y

i like usa food more than any other country

burgers, hotdogs, chicken tenders 🤣🤣

pizza if that counts 🤣🤣

american tacos and burritos to 😭😭

definitely not healthy tho

CLB Fractions

5y

but if its a classless society wouldnt everyone make about the same amount of money? so then everyone would have access to the luxury goods making them not really a luxury anymore

deadacc

5y

not necessarily

the point is that people more fairly get to earn the products of their labor.

so instead of working and making the company $1000 in a hour and you make what $20-30, you'd be able to earn your share of the products of your own labor instead of having some a****** sitting around doing nothing watching the digits in his account go up take the majority of the profits of your work

CLB Fractions

5y

those asshats also invested into the company.
that $1000 u made for the compny required u to use the resources of the asshats

CLB Fractions

5y

i like usa food more than any other country

burgers, hotdogs, chicken tenders 🤣🤣

pizza if that counts 🤣🤣

american tacos and burritos to 😭😭

definitely not healthy tho

interstellarflyin2

5y

you can also literally get authentic food from any country in the world if you live in a cosmopolitan part of USA

deadacc

5y

yea but including the cost of maintaining the resources and funding the resources of the company you're still getting f***ed. the owner of a company should be paid according to the profits they create too. but there's a huge gap in between what people deserve and what people take and that gap is my principle issue

Kanye 2024

5y

Because I’m Joe Biden.

CLB Fractions

5y

say the owner puts $1000

into a company and one worker brings in $10 of value a year

the worker could keep 3 and the company will get 7 with that 7 being split between going back into company and owners/investors

seems fair to me 🤷‍♂️

under socialism say i put a bunch of money up front to buy lemonade could i then hire someone to sell it and I take part of the profits?

cause i see nothing wrong with this tbh

deadacc

5y

i mean if you know the spots and s*** but even then it comes at a premium and so many times i been excited to get some food and its just a trash ass watered down version of what i actually want

deadacc

5y

i mean it's going to be a long time till a perfect socialistic society and every country and culture will have a different idea of what the best version of that society is but the point is that the workers also own the means of production.
so the people working at the company are also investors of the company and therefore share their fraction of the profits that they make for the company.

the issue with your example is that effectively if you wanted to you could make money off of other people's hard work without doing anything.
ik a friend of a friend who was gifted 20 RV's from their parents and earn $500 a month off each RV after paying their property manager.
They make $120,000 a year without even having earned the initial investment themselves and without doing any work whatsoever.
And that money doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from the actual work of the extremely hard working families who use those RV's to survive.
living in an RV is not exactly the most glamorous lifestyle but they work to provide a home for them and their kids, while the landlord lives a life of complete luxury while doing literally zero work. i don't see how that's fair whatsoever.

ur probably already aware of the surplus value theory of labor but it goes something like:

COST FOR MATERIALS + LABOR = SALE PRICE

or vis versa. Cost for materials including all investment: raw materials, upkeep, bills, equipment etc.

say you sell a lemonade for $10 and including all cost for materials it was $7. then however much work that went into creating that product, must equal $3.
so if the worker is the one who started the business and run it by themselves they earned the $3 right?
the only missing factor would be if they work for somebody else where that $3 of value of the work wasn't just done by the worker who made it, but also by the labor of the owner and whatever meaningful work they have done to produce that $10 value.
so you'd split the $3 depending on the split of the labor and i think that's only fair, while the cost for materials is covered for.

CLB Fractions

5y

yea i would want kids haha.

leftism sounds great to people who dont have anything. but life would suck if there were no luxury goods if everyone had a benz its nothing special anymore. if everyone had the same thing that would be one boring life. 🤷‍♂️

interstellarflyin2

5y

I highly doubt a perfect socialistic society will ever exist aside from theoretical examples

deadacc

5y

i mean it's going to be a long time till a perfect socialistic society and every country and culture will have a different idea of what the best version of that society is but the point is that the workers also own the means of production.
so the people working at the company are also investors of the company and therefore share their fraction of the profits that they make for the company.

the issue with your example is that effectively if you wanted to you could make money off of other people's hard work without doing anything.
ik a friend of a friend who was gifted 20 RV's from their parents and earn $500 a month off each RV after paying their property manager.
They make $120,000 a year without even having earned the initial investment themselves and without doing any work whatsoever.
And that money doesn't come from nowhere, it comes from the actual work of the extremely hard working families who use those RV's to survive.
living in an RV is not exactly the most glamorous lifestyle but they work to provide a home for them and their kids, while the landlord lives a life of complete luxury while doing literally zero work. i don't see how that's fair whatsoever.

ur probably already aware of the surplus value theory of labor but it goes something like:

COST FOR MATERIALS + LABOR = SALE PRICE

or vis versa. Cost for materials including all investment: raw materials, upkeep, bills, equipment etc.

say you sell a lemonade for $10 and including all cost for materials it was $7. then however much work that went into creating that product, must equal $3.
so if the worker is the one who started the business and run it by themselves they earned the $3 right?
the only missing factor would be if they work for somebody else where that $3 of value of the work wasn't just done by the worker who made it, but also by the labor of the owner and whatever meaningful work they have done to produce that $10 value.
so you'd split the $3 depending on the split of the labor and i think that's only fair, while the cost for materials is covered for.

Soo Diff

5y

Imagine everyone having food and a roof over there head omg so boring lol then who would I have to look down on.

Mofucker talking bout boring but he loves his cheeseburgers and taco bell

The jokes write themselves

CLB Fractions

5y

not taco bell 🥴. chipotle 😌

you can have everyone in the country get housing without advocating for socialism btw.

but yes under socialism it would suck not being able to work to have exclusive goods and services. thats part of what makes life fulfilling.

deadacc

5y

most theory and literature ive read takes this into account. socialism in general is discussed as something that you will probably not be able to see in your generation but that doesn't mean it's not a goal worth striving for and that it won't have immediate benefits for you and society along the way

Soo Diff

5y

I f***s with chipotle but that s*** still trash compared to authentic Mexican food. I mean sure I guess I don't advocate for any of this s***. I don't give a f*** it's all bullshit to me but I'm sure we can do better.

CLB Fractions

5y

traditional mexican food taste way different

but i honestly prefer chipotle. 😭😭

Soo Diff

5y

You're bugging idk where tf you live I can walk to like three taco trucks with better food than chipotle on a daily basis. You're bugging. Chipotle guac smacks if they made it right that day they even manage to f*** that up sometimes. There chicken is whatever it's good sometimes, there steak is trash, there carnitas is trash, and there barbacoa sucks too.