NiceLikeChrist

5y

But the house is still government provided isn't it? What if they aren't happy with it or want a different one?

Do people choose the house they want? If they aren't all the same then how do we decide who gets house preference? Some homes are sure to be nicer than others if they aren't all the same.

If it's based on their productive capabilities then do the more "productive" people get the nicer things?

Synopsis

5y

I can't imagine how much of disengious ass clown you have to be to take "people wont have to worry about housing" and turn it into "everyone will have to lineup before some government entity and be distributed a home despite the fact that most people already have homes which they live in"

NiceLikeChrist

5y

But the house is still government provided isn't it? What if they aren't happy with it or want a different one?

Do people choose the house they want? If they aren't all the same then how do we decide who gets house preference? Some homes are sure to be nicer than others if they aren't all the same.

If it's based on their productive capabilities then do the more "productive" people get the nicer things?

Synopsis

5y

I can't imagine how much of disengious ass clown you have to be to take "people wont have to worry about housing" and turn it into "everyone will have to lineup before some government entity and be distributed a home despite the fact that most people already have homes which they live in"

CarbideAndCarbon

5y

So wait, most people already have a house? So the free market has solved most of the problem???

CLB Fractions

5y

synopsis also wants to take peoples homes as well, if you weren't already killed in his revolution.

synopsis isnt debating in good faith

Synopsis

5y

I can't imagine how much of disengious ass clown you have to be to take "people wont have to worry about housing" and turn it into "everyone will have to lineup before some government entity and be distributed a home despite the fact that most people already have homes which they live in"

Maartins

5y

Im not necessarily disputing that I mentioned if the economic prosperity of each country ranges from sweden to like portugal i dnt necessarily think that’s bad

In portugal u can get any education and health care for free

Look you also greatly overplay the degree poorer countries are exploited

Im nigerian and the continent is really changing. Ghana is taking on protectionist trade policies, ethiopia, rwanda, kenya are rapidly developing. The biggest potential “exploiter” is the chinese not even the west but that’s a different story

I’ll use nigeria as a case study . We have a gdp greater than SEVERAL eu countries. The reason we are not a first world country infrastructure and society wise is because of corruption point blank period not “the global north”. We just full on hv greedy NATIVE oligarchs who rule us. Same applies to about a dozen other african countries.

This was one of the issues i had in my theory class. It tends to delve into reductionism. Not every arrangement of international political-economy affairs is tied to the idea of the global south vs north

We practically saw all of east asia become middle to high income countries in the span of 30 yrs (china, taiwan, singapore, thailand, SK etc) bcus of homegrown policy choices. Don’t overstate the power EU and NA has

CarbideAndCarbon

5y

So wait, most people already have a house? So the free market has solved most of the problem???

nocomment

5y

because my mental health doesnt have the stamina to care anymore

The Infinite M

5y

Because socialism isnt the better alternative.

Its still capitalism, just not Neo capitalism like in the US

Synopsis

5y

Like to say "Africa builds its wealth up like the EU did" is some wildly offensive ahistorical s***

NiceLikeChrist

5y

so you don't have an answer

that's why I aint a socialist pal

spongebob

5y

wait who said that

spongebob

5y

are u able to afford mental health support/therapy etc

nocomment

5y

seems redundant to do that just to be socially progressive. I'm not made of time

Synopsis

5y

The problem is not that people don't have houses, except for the 500k in America that don't. its that most people pay very high% of their income, which is barely s*** to begin with, to parasitic landlords and come out all the poorer for it. So, yeah, dumb f***, it has not solved the problem because it cannot solve the problem.

Synopsis

5y

There is no answer that would satisfy you Will, you petulant dumbfuck. You are incapable of framing your questions in an honest way, or of engaging in critical thought on the issue.

Idk how much simpler it needs to be said. the idea is not "everyone is taken out of their homes and given new ones by the government"

it is "the people without homes or inadequate homes (IE a family of 5-6 living in a 2 bedroom house) is given adequate housing, and the profit motive is removed altogether from housing"

is this difficult for you?

CLB Fractions

5y

so me renting my land is parasitic? so under socialism you would take peoples land and houses, correct?

spongebob

5y

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there's a few missing pieces in between both of your stances

Like people shouldn't have so little resources that they get evicted and become homeless and their job should allow them to have some sort of expendable income after rent in utilities

The percentage of people in the US that pay more than half or higher of their income on rent is crazy, that's not social mobility, and the real estate/rental game is rife with gentrification and capitalistic scheming (not saying u specifically cause I don't know what u plan to do or any of that, but it kinda comes with that industry)

Synopsis

5y

wdym

spongebob

5y

there's a few missing pieces in between both of your stances

Like people shouldn't have so little resources that they get evicted and become homeless and their job should allow them to have some sort of expendable income after rent in utilities

The percentage of people in the US that pay more than half or higher of their income on rent is crazy, that's not social mobility, and the real estate/rental game is rife with gentrification and capitalistic scheming (not saying u specifically cause I don't know what u plan to do or any of that, but it kinda comes with that industry)

spongebob

5y

Like I think dude is saying he wanting to own property to rent out and you're coming from we need to provide a place to live for everyone regardless as their right but they don't match up so

It's just a matter of meeting them where they're coming from somehow, but idk

Some people just see socialism as oh the govt gonna come take all your stuff and they can't get past that,

I just think there are a lot of steps in between where we would even go from where he's at to where you're describing that the discussion is falling through