Not thinking it's ideal is a privilege. Listening to what all these dudes rap about, especially siifu...you should know that. Your mentality works in theory but it is only idealistic when the system is designed to hurt my people and we out here dying because of it. Downplaying that fact is what is problematic

Need to listen. Is it as good as HBCU Gameday?

So you haven't heard P4P?

"I hope slums can manage to grow up from black nationalism"

yo saying this is WILD my g.

I mean like I said I still respect it, I still appreciate the message (obviously, look at this thread). I just think the message wouldn't suffer from cutting the enemy-thinking out of it. In fact it would be much more powerful. But enemy-thinking is in a way also just an American thing, with the winners/loosers mindset etc, I don't blame them for it, but I'd def consider it a growing up to leave it behind.

What shirt was it? The Higher Self ones that dropped earlier?

Dam...we might need to revoke the thread Befly don't do this

OP need to tell them cacs and nazis down south to chill first my g.

read everything I wrote

youtu.be/MBN3NEqcM5w?t=400

this one, seen in countless slums vids over the years in diff colors

Ya 6000 years done ran up, the KINGS OF THE EARTH is back.

You not knowing how low black Americans are out first hand you can't blame how militant they move. We not expressing that state of mind from a land or mindframe of peace. It's not just entertainment to stream on ya phone. It's the literal diaspora they trying to invoke.

Uhh you realize what those colors mean? Yeah you can't roam with that Willy Nilly dude. Something like that is more than merch

It's crazy as soon as I realized what shirt it was I instantly got it and understood the stance. Can't be shipping that worldwide

"On the one hand, Reactionary Black Nationalists (RBNs) advocate self-love, self-respect, self-acceptance, self-help, pride, unity, and so forth - much like the right-wingers who promote "traditional family values." But - also like the holier-than-thou right-wingers - RBNs promote bigotry, intolerance, hatred, sexism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, pseudo-science, irrationality, dogmatic historical revisionism, violence, and so forth."

obviously, out of that second part they show basically nothing - so yeah it's definitely not a 60s kind of black nationalism, but when you look at the first part that's exactly the slums agenda, but there's also still like... leftovers from the second part, there's still clearly a "we against the cracker" thinking in there

Race is a very real thing. Saying it shouldn't be is extremely wishful thinking. Thats ingrained in people. For some more than others.

For many people there always has been a clear and present danger. Their music does not exacerbate that, it serves as a way to respond and come to terms with it. That is their badge they carry daily, there's nothing to grow up from or do away with. Being conscious of that is necessary, its far from 'an agenda'.

How do y'all feel about Pink Siifu's new album?

There's a reconciliation in there that they've had to make knowing a majority of their fan base will be white. Clearly they've made that reconiciliation in their minds as best they can given they're aware of this. Siifu and Quelle were just having this discussion on twitter the other day. Its not a "we against the cracker" thinking. Its awareness of their context which is not to be taken lightly or done away with.

I really fw it, overall more than Gameday. Just a really nice 20 minute listen.

Can't push it to the side. Especially when you hear a black man hit that Eddie Kendricks sample

Been known Siifu isn't my fav but I love him on this

Special way to close out such an aggressive album

I really fw him putting this at the end of the album. Its a tough listen, can feel exhausting, but when you finally make it through you're greeted with this f***ing beautiful moment of peace. I get why he said he needed this track to finish up the album.

Fire I play it a lot

when you do some basic research: "Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning."

I mean you're right, in our day-to-day lives it is a real thing, but only because society treats it as such. It is ingrained in people, but 10 years ago it was also ingrained in most people that being gay is shameful... Imo rap because of its historical significance as a voice of the racially oppressed would be the perfect place to start deconstructing this. Instead, some of the most woke rap we have today actually still feeds into the myth and directly helps making it more real. It is a way of being conscious of reality, but it is also inadvertently stabilizing this reality through language.

I'm not saying this is the "truth", but it's my thoughts on the matter rn.

I don't think I'm getting my point across, but w/e

@kilihn u wanna chime in?

That 'social construct', the 'rules made by society' was slavery. And today its harsher sentencing, its gentrification, resource exploitation, its straight up shooting a man while he jogs in the street and not even getting charged till the public makes a big enough deal out of it.

There's a fundamental role that race has played for centuries now. Its not a myth that is being made more real. And its not Slums' job to forgive that. Its to write their experience, the good and the bad.