OP think he doing god’s work when every conservative/neoliberal think tank has published this s*** for the past 50 years
You mean like when you guys post those played out “China and Russia eliminated illiteracy and unemployment” posts as if it hasn’t already been done to exhaustion
No he is not. You are misrepresenting him
take that avi off ya s*** bro Krule would despise ur ass
In pursuit of counterrevolution and in the name of freedom, U.S. forces or U.S.-supported surrogate forces slaughtered 2,000,000 North Koreans in a three-year war; 3,000,000 Vietnamese; over 500,000 in aerial wars over Laos and Cambodia; over 1,500,000 in Angola; over 1,000,000 in Mozambique; over 500,000 in Afghanistan; 500,000 to 1,000,000 in Indonesia; 200,000 in East Timor; 100,000 in Nicaragua (combining the Somoza and Reagan eras); over 100,000 in Guatemala (plus an additional 40,000 disappeared); over 700,000 in Iraq;3 over 60,000 in El Salvador; 30,000 in the “dirty war” of Argentina (though the government admits to only 9,000); 35,000 in Taiwan, when the Kuomintang military arrived from China; 20,000 in Chile; and many thousands in Haiti, Panama, Grenada, Brazil, South Africa, Western Sahara, Zaire, Turkey, and dozens of other countries, in what amounts to a free-market world holocaust.
Official sources either deny these U.S.-sponsored mass murders or justify them as necessary measures that had to be taken against an implacable communist foe. Anticommunist propaganda saturated our airwaves, schools, and political discourse. Despite repeated and often factitious references to the tyranny of the Red Menace, the anticommunist opinion makers never spelled out what communists actually did in the way of socio-economic policy. This might explain why, despite decades of Red-bashing propaganda, most Americans, including many who number themselves among the political cognoscenti, still cannot offer an informed statement about the social policies of communist societies.
The anti-Red propagandists uttered nary a word about how revolutionaries in Russia, China, Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua, and other countries nationalized the lands held by rich exploitative landlords and initiated mass programs for education, health, housing, and jobs. Not a word about how their efforts advanced the living standards and life chances of hundreds of millions in countries that had long suffered under the yoke of feudal oppression and Western colonial pillage, an improvement in mass well-being never before witnessed in history.”
Excerpt From
Blackshirts and Reds
Michael Parenti
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That doesnt debunk OPs point though does it
what could possibly make you think americans have the highest living standards in the world?
The UN said that Alabama has the worst living conditions of ANY developed nation. Flint is STILL an issue. We have hundreds of thousands of people who work multiple jobs but cannot feed their kids. What the F*** does the average american have going for them right now that isn't frivolous luxury goods like home appliances or some stupid ideological abstract bullshit like "freedom of speech" or "the market" or "democracy"
Have you ever actually been to a third world country. There are so many aspects of life that just seem basic in America that aren’t even standard in some middle income countries. “frivolous luxury goods” make life a lot easier than you think. I also didn’t mention anything about democracy or freedom in the OP
You mean like when you guys post those played out “China and Russia eliminated illiteracy and unemployment” posts as if it hasn’t already been done to exhaustion
All this and not a single valid counter argument
Have you ever actually been to a third world country. There are so many aspects of life that just seem basic in America that aren’t even standard in some middle income countries. “frivolous luxury goods” make life a lot easier than you think. I also didn’t mention anything about democracy or freedom in the OP
i lived in afghanistan for the first 5 years of my life after being born here from 00-05
and regularly visit there
running water was more reliable in 2004 afghanistan than detroit i'll let you know that right now
There are valid arguments for public ownership and state control of the economy
Just this thread wont go anywhere because no one is challenging OPs point without ad hominem.
My ideal economic model is scandinavian.
I think I'll bow out now
the lend lease act had little effect on the war effort for the soviet union LOL
everything provided to the USSR was supplementary at best, and the soviet union was outproducing the US' entire tank production in T34 tanks alone by the end of the war
From Russia. historian Boris Sokolov: “On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941 that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources.”
Have you ever actually been to a third world country. There are so many aspects of life that just seem basic in America that aren’t even standard in some middle income countries. “frivolous luxury goods” make life a lot easier than you think. I also didn’t mention anything about democracy or freedom in the OP
i have studied and lived in cuba please do not equate cuba to a third world country lol
Have you ever actually been to a third world country. There are so many aspects of life that just seem basic in America that aren’t even standard in some middle income countries. “frivolous luxury goods” make life a lot easier than you think. I also didn’t mention anything about democracy or freedom in the OP
i'm sure this idea you have that a coffee maker and non-stick pan is suddenly a marker of a good living standard when you have no guaranteed healthcare is something you won't shake so i'm gonna let you sit and think about why your 60 inch tv makes you so much more prosperous than people who can actually visit a hospital without worrying about debt
slave owners weren't the only racists on Cuba.
Middle class pro-Bautista and pro-corporation Cubans needed to be expelled too
How were the marielas and most recent post Soviet wave of migrants “pro Batista” or “pro corporation” considering most of them are lower class
Many racists did leave Cuba and the slave owners deserved to have their s*** seized. Batista was a thug
That does not mean literally every cuban to ever leave is a racist. Come on now
@Enpax when did anyone ever tell you the Soviet Union or Cuba had some powerhouse economy?
These countries were trying a economic system which still is groundbreaking and had never been tried.
The main thing communists triumph is the social and human rights achievements these countries had. Woman had equal pay, living expectancy shot up.
In 1900 Russia life expectancy was 30 years old by 1960 it was 68 years old.
Widespread education, reading and employment like never before seen happened.
The Soviet Union was able to provide everyone with a humane life where they can work and come home to a place of their own.
How were the marielas and most recent post Soviet wave of migrants “pro Batista” or “pro corporation” considering most of them are lower class
how are poor southern americans pro corporation ? same way
i lived in afghanistan for the first 5 years of my life after being born here from 00-05
and regularly visit there
And despite that, you genuinely believe that there isn’t a stark difference between the ease of life for Americans compared to actual third world countries? I know your iq is below 10 so let me be clear, this isn’t about how America is victimizing afghanistan or not through the war, I’m STRICTLY talking about living standards
@Enpax when did anyone ever tell you the Soviet Union or Cuba had some powerhouse economy?
These countries were trying a economic system which still is groundbreaking and had never been tried.
The main thing communists triumph is the social and human rights achievements these countries had. Woman had equal pay, living expectancy shot up.
In 1900 Russia life expectancy was 30 years old by 1960 it was 68 years old.
Widespread education, reading and employment like never before seen happened.
The Soviet Union was able to provide everyone with a humane life where they can work and come home to a place of their own.
and at the same time maintained the position of being a global superpower
And despite that, you genuinely believe that there isn’t a stark difference between the ease of life for Americans compared to actual third world countries? I know your iq is below 10 so let me be clear, this isn’t about how America is victimizing afghanistan or not through the war, I’m STRICTLY talking about living standards
living standards in the US are a LOT closer to afghanistan than what you'd imagine somewhere like Germany and Scandinavia are
in afghanistan and the USA i had my fridge, my toaster, my plugs and showers. however, in germany my family enjoys cheap transportation, free and effective healthcare, a productive but relaxing workplace, and a life that isn't constantly bombarded by advertisement and anxiety
Also everyone agrees america kinda sucks unless you're rich.
Wht about all the other countries that are democratic and have markets but have far better quality of life than america?
and at the same time maintained the position of being a global superpower
Exactly, the Soviets were just a step behind the US for nearly 70 years.
It made the leadership of the United States f***ing tremble to the point they spent millions upon millions of dollars imprisoning, assassinating, torturing and illegally surveilling communists within the country.
@Enpax when did anyone ever tell you the Soviet Union or Cuba had some powerhouse economy?
These countries were trying a economic system which still is groundbreaking and had never been tried.
The main thing communists triumph is the social and human rights achievements these countries had. Woman had equal pay, living expectancy shot up.
In 1900 Russia life expectancy was 30 years old by 1960 it was 68 years old.
Widespread education, reading and employment like never before seen happened.
The Soviet Union was able to provide everyone with a humane life where they can work and come home to a place of their own.
My point isn’t “the Soviet Union made life worse for everyone in it”
It’s the fact that the achievements of Cuba and the Soviet Union are not tied to the central planning of the economies as they are to a strong hand the government played towards the welfare of the people. I have nothing against a government massively investing in education and infrastructure, in fact I think every government should. But the truth is many self proclaimed socialist nations didn’t even do that