ImLikeThat

3h

I think that’s what makes him one of the worst. It’s not that the music is so painfully unlistenable but it’s the fact he has never done a single thing in his life to progress the art form or challenge anyone. It’s literally the lowest common denominator of past sounds that’s been lightly touched up to sound as inoffensive as possible. Theres zero personality to any aspect of his art, from the raps to the beats to the album concepts.

Atleast with 6ix9ine or 645ar or these other trash artists, they’re doing something that’s atleast risky, as unlistenable as it is. I appreciate that more than j Cole any day

NoFace

3h

i sure am

NoFace

4h

because if we’re being completely honest, some belittle the overall genre

and i say that as someone that has genuinely seen it. lack of writing, lack of honing the craft, watering down vocal performances by masking with lazy autotune, lack of creativity, etc

some niggas dont even try to perform their records when recording, just have their engineers do the heavy lifting by punching in

ImLikeThat

3h

I think that’s what makes him one of the worst. It’s not that the music is so painfully unlistenable but it’s the fact he has never done a single thing in his life to progress the art form or challenge anyone. It’s literally the lowest common denominator of past sounds that’s been lightly touched up to sound as inoffensive as possible. Theres zero personality to any aspect of his art, from the raps to the beats to the album concepts.

Atleast with 6ix9ine or 645ar or these other trash artists, they’re doing something that’s atleast risky, as unlistenable as it is. I appreciate that more than j Cole any day

NoFace

4h

future didnt start touring arenas until 2016 though and even then he co-headlining with drake

Benny Boy

3h

Big 3s can't have too many "cowriters"
Couple guys on here getting the boot

Smacked Voodoo

7h

I will never respect a big three with TI in it lol

ryuH

3h

I was waiting for yall type of niggas to show up

Well you ain’t a nigga but you know what I mean

ImLikeThat

3h

I think that’s what makes him one of the worst. It’s not that the music is so painfully unlistenable but it’s the fact he has never done a single thing in his life to progress the art form or challenge anyone. It’s literally the lowest common denominator of past sounds that’s been lightly touched up to sound as inoffensive as possible. Theres zero personality to any aspect of his art, from the raps to the beats to the album concepts.

Atleast with 6ix9ine or 645ar or these other trash artists, they’re doing something that’s atleast risky, as unlistenable as it is. I appreciate that more than j Cole any day

Benny Boy

2h

You're already making arbitrary rules. You're splitting a decade, ignoring guys who sold more, etc.

Kanye and Drake have huge asterisks by them, sorry

Nelly and DMX had way bigger moments than TI

figarooooo

3h

TI is a legend with multiple classics

ryuH

2h

Nelly and DMX operated at a completely different time than TI wtf are you going on about lol

And also we know you hate Drake and don’t want to give him any credit for his 15 years of rapping because of Quentin millers contribution to 3 songs

Not today fam I don’t feel like it lol

Benny Boy

2h

Sorry, nobody made Drake use 15 cowriters and try accents/styles on like clothes. Dig your grave, etc.

Ye and Drake are in the pop rap pantheon for sure. Right there with Trav

ryuH

2h

Aight man I told you I’m
Not doing this with you bruh lol

Matter fact before I start ignoring you I’ll just say this man Make Them Remember is as lyrical as anything anyone in the OP has done if thats not good enough for you lyrically you’re just being obtuse

Also Ye is a producer and a genius one of the greatest hip-hop artists who ever lived he knows how to make pop music yes but to write his entire run off as pop is corny and cringeworthy lol

I can sense your lack of melanin from across the net

ryuH

2h

Hip-hop is 50 years old dog

It’s past the point of needing every artist to burst on the scene and reinvent the genre

Kanye was the epitome of that and pretty much did everything that could be done sonically with the genre but a lot of “innovation” since has been reaching and aesthetics more than anything else

That’s why a lot of these new rappers ass, they “look” innovative/creative but they not bringing anything fresh to the table that has staying power with a larger audience.

People have grown to appreciate a rapper who just does the genre justice. It doesn’t have to be “innovative” in the same way that a modern Jazz musician doesn’t have to re-invent the genre itself to be appreciated. The principles of the genre have long been established.

There is nothing wrong with carrying on tradition. Nas was a big proponent of this (he even had a song called “Carry on Tradition”)

That’s what Cole represents, the classic lyricist archetype that can balance skill substance and commercial appeal

He doesn’t need to be anything more

shaleirose

4h

Flow - absolutely not

Rhymes - yes but that ties back into lyricism

Subject matter - completely subjective?

Punchlines - ties back into lyricism

Wordplay - ties back into lyricism

ryuH

2h

Aight man I told you I’m
Not doing this with you bruh lol

Matter fact before I start ignoring you I’ll just say this man Make Them Remember is as lyrical as anything anyone in the OP has done if thats not good enough for you lyrically you’re just being obtuse

Also Ye is a producer and a genius one of the greatest hip-hop artists who ever lived he knows how to make pop music yes but to write his entire run off as pop is corny and cringeworthy lol

I can sense your lack of melanin from across the net

Benny Boy

2h

Drake is half white

WRU

4h

of all of them TI is up there but fairs

WRU

4h

as we all know new yorkers opinion on southern rap is historically rational and unbiased