raps· edited“The Boston Celtics without the 2008 championship is just some old niggas at a YMCA”
Unfair comp
ryuHNas was huge
Not as big as Nelly or Fif but this is the same strawman argument that people are having about J Cole and Future
Nas was making platinum albums AND rapping at an elite level far beyond Fif or Nelly or any of those guys
I’m not arguing anything in bad faith man, but you can track the other big 3’s trajectories pretty easily compared to the trio of Nas Hov Em , Nas & Big were literally hot at the same time
Mafia Bossits too much singing for me.
fair, im a r&b pluto truther
- raps
“The Boston Celtics without the 2008 championship is just some old niggas at a YMCA”
I mean
If they didn’t win a championship then they wouldn’t be champions yeah.
SABMAN TURNT 🧔🏻·1 replyMafia Bossits too much singing for me.
-Nicki stan
- raps
After 2013-2016 Niggas performatively want to s*** on traditional lyricists and i never will understand it
No man it’s just that the albums j cole makes are not good.
·1 replyMafia Bossfuture tours well and so does cole
future didnt start touring arenas until 2016 though and even then he co-headlining with drake
·1 replyraps“The Boston Celtics without the 2008 championship is just some old niggas at a YMCA”
Cole won the championship once and Future did it over and over
shaleiroseNot s***ting on traditional lyricists but Cole isn't like the best of the best when it comes to lyricism
Who are they listening to man. What’s he spitting on these albums that we’re missing.
·1 replyAbyssCole won the championship once and Future did it over and over
Except in 2014 who released better projects Cole or future
·1 replyshaleiroseY'all kill me on here man
Y'all will start an argument with a nigga, then when the nigga responds turn and go "look how he's starting an argument again"
We was having a friendly, unheated conversation about music, that was not an argument at all
nigga the comment was made in jest and the user I quoted fully understood my intention. enjoy your Sunday afternoon and don’t let this thread work you up too much
- ·1 replyshaleirose
What is Cole better at as a rapper than Future besides lyricism and storytelling?
isnt this all you need to be better at rapping than someone? lol what more is needed?
only thing Future has over Cole is his ability to make hooks and his ear for production
ICEMAN40 🧤·2 repliesIdk but Drake is number 1 and it’s really not close lol.
- ·1 replySABMAN TURNT
-Nicki stan
- ·1 replyJim Halpert
Except in 2014 who released better projects Cole or future
Also, back to the commercial point, this reminds me of something now that you mentioned 2014
Cole's commercial peak is seen as 2014 Forest Hills Drive, which released in December 2014, so it had its run in 2015
Future is widely seen as the MVP of Rap in 2015, and that was off the strength of the three-mixtape run, DS2, and WATTBA
So Future dominated the year with three mixtapes that didn't even sell a single copy, the same year that Cole's biggest album was making its rounds
- ·1 replyNoFace
isnt this all you need to be better at rapping than someone? lol what more is needed?
only thing Future has over Cole is his ability to make hooks and his ear for production
No, not at all. There are so many more aspects to rapping than just lyricism and storytelling
·1 replyICEMAN40Idk but Drake is number 1 and it’s really not close lol.
Not even top 6 on the list
- ·1 replyafterimage
nigga the comment was made in jest and the user I quoted fully understood my intention. enjoy your Sunday afternoon and don’t let this thread work you up too much
It's 2026 y'all need to stop referring to friendly discussions as arguments and realize none of this s*** is that deep
- ·1 replyshaleirose
No, not at all. There are so many more aspects to rapping than just lyricism and storytelling
like what? because the other things you mentioned you lumped under lyricism lol
- shaleirose
Also, back to the commercial point, this reminds me of something now that you mentioned 2014
Cole's commercial peak is seen as 2014 Forest Hills Drive, which released in December 2014, so it had its run in 2015
Future is widely seen as the MVP of Rap in 2015, and that was off the strength of the three-mixtape run, DS2, and WATTBA
So Future dominated the year with three mixtapes that didn't even sell a single copy, the same year that Cole's biggest album was making its rounds
Interesting point.
But Cole was saying s*** like “give a virgin the urge to rape me” what a lyrical genius.
- ·1 replyNoFace
like what? because the other things you mentioned you lumped under lyricism lol
Flow, delivery, cadence, presence, songwriting ability
You can have all the lyrical miracle lines in the world and be a s*** rapper (not saying Cole is)
·2 repliesNoFacehow do you hate HNDRXX
Always thought FUTURE was better
- ·1 replyICEMAN40
Idk but Drake is number 1 and it’s really not close lol.
read the room man
- Leftside
Always thought FUTURE was better
A man of culture I see.
- ·1 replyshaleirose
It's 2026 y'all need to stop referring to friendly discussions as arguments and realize none of this s*** is that deep
yeah everyone already understood that besides you big dawg
