Well when even the West doesn't call it an invasion, I surely won't

If they go into territory that they recognize as Ukrainian or if actual fighting breaks out that would change things ofc

Ah yes, we should just dismiss the fact that Ukraine has hate crime and discrimination laws to protect gay people and welcome Russian state endorsed violence to Ukraine just because of your whataboutism of other Eastern European countries.

The only thing Ukraine did to “provoke” Russia at this point was peacefully remove their Russian puppet government and become a democracy. But of course, in your mind Russia is the victim.

Putin’s speech today was all about how Lenin and Stalin messed up giving Ukraine their land back and how Ukraine has always belonged to Russia. It’s always been about the USSR to Putin.

They already have.

I just gave you a quote from someone in the Biden admin calling it an invasion.

That’s the point, they don’t recognise Ukraine as an independent country. Putin flat out said today that it belongs to Russia.

They do recognize Ukraine what are you talking about lmao. They just don't recognize the Donbass since yesterday.

And again, that was a statement before any of this happened, give me a statement where they call this current mission an invasion now. Not them predicting an invasion and you going "yeah this is it"

Just gonna ignore the weird cynicism and me wanting to see the world collapse comment, don't know how me being against NATO expansion makes me cynical lol.

But anyway to answer your question watch this:

MFs wasting their whole lives that's crazy to me

Yeah lmao nothing provocative at all banning the Russian language, making it illegal to not recognize the heroism of Ukrainian Nazis who supported Russian genocide during WW2 and joining military alliance that was created with the expressed purpose of combatting Russia, especially when Russia and the US agreed that said military alliance wouldn't move further to the east

Yes I actually watched it lol. What does that change about Russia recognizing Ukraine now?

Ofc western anarchists think resisting imperialism is a waste of time

And you’re saying any of that gives Russia carte blanche to invade Ukraine? Because they made social and ambassadory choices? Have I been arguing with a fascist this whole time?

I mean I have deeper ideological reasons for why I'm not an anarchist, but the way Western anarchists cape or downplay imperialism wouldn't exactly warm me up to that ideology lol

If you watched the speech you’d know that he doesn’t recognise Ukraine at all and that he says it’s Russian land.

ok, so now two possibilities

either the Russian troops stop at the frontline, and it will freeze the conflict for now

or, they're going for the whole territory the separatists are claiming. but for that they'll have to make a military move against ukrainian army

personally, i think they'll stop at the frontline for now and continue to put pressure on Ukraine. that way they'll officially control part of the dombass but keep the sanctions minimal since the US don't consider this option to be a real invasion

You're the one supporting a government with literal a literal proudly Nazi guard unit and you're calling me a fascist? dumbass

Either way no it doesn't justify Russia's actions, you're putting words in my mouth, but it is a provocation in the same way the West provoked the USSR with Afghanistan.

No he doesn't, he said the Crimea and Donbass being part of Ukraine is the result of the USSRs policy. He doesn't recognize the the Donbass as part of Ukraine

Why wouldn't Obama sign off on a Neo-Nazi backed coup

Bruh wym Obama wouldn't do that, the US literally directly funded the Nazi Azov Battallion under Obama

And yes, the Euromaidan protests weren't that much fascist at first, but the Nazis got a more powerful position as the situation got more violent as that video laid out. And now the Nazis have an official unit in Ukraine's army

Because America good. So good that the US and Ukraine were the only two countries to vote against a UN resolution condemning the glorification of Nazis

I'm not too well versed on the situation, but saying Obama wouldn't back Neo-Nazis sounds out there. America loves the far right when it comes to international relations

Of course, I'm agreeing with you. Obama literally directly funded the Nazis, it's not even a discussion really lmao