i stand corrected this was claimed

You mean declaring war?

For people hellbent on self determination and freedom these NATO cucks are really against letting people, you know, self-determine

F*** all of u

i dont think i have a misunderstanding as much as we have a difference in perspective so ill ask u this to clear it up cuz i think its a good a***ogy (not perfect but good enough)

do u think the united states COMMITTED (past tense) genocide against native americans, or is currently still committing genocide against them by continuing to operate government on what is still rightfully their land? (that they would then be justified to militarily take back if they had the resources to do so)

just answer “first” or “second” or “neither” and then explain why please 🙏🏽

The US committed genocide yes. I don’t see how this is anywhere near a***ogous to the Ukraine situation

ima just say imperialism is a word with a concrete definition, you can use other words instead of imperialism to describe a country imposing its will on another. its just incorrect.

if russia wants to interpret a sovereign state neighbor joining an global org as a declaration of war thats on them

just like if canada and mexico joined a hypothetical russian trade org and we took that as a deceleration of war that would be on us, not russia (regardless of it being an escalatory move on russia’s end like it would be with us)

Thanks for enlarging, makes it easier for the rest to admire.

:( ur not engaging with my question

wikipedia: Imperialism is a policy or ideology of extending rule over peoples and other countries, for extending political and economic access, power and control, often through employing hard power, especially military force, but also soft power.

oxford: a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

mariam webster: the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas

brittanica: state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas.

how does this not apply to whats happening in east ukraine?

I misread

The US did commit genocide by encouraging and legally partaking in the mass murder and displacement of Native Americans by the hands of both its citizens and its government so that they could obtain, colonize, and exploit the land and resources that those Native Americans had control over. Simultaneously, Native Americans were marginalized and ethnically cleansed in American society

But why is this a***ogous to Ukraine?

do u think native americans (regardless of whether they actually have the military strength to do so) have a moral right and justification to take back the land stolen from them by the american government and forming new sovereign states out of those lands, even if military action was needed?

Yes. I support the land back movement.

ok so were really having a semantic argument then when it comes to imperialism lmao

cuz if u wouldnt see that as imperialism (the land back movement) just as much as the original pilgrimage and genocide of the natives then were just gonna have to respectfully disagree on what justifies military action and what doesnt, therefore making it imperialism or not.

i appreciate u engaging with me even tho i was quite rude during some heated moments

all love

Sorry fam but regaining your ancestral homeland from a colonial oppressor is definitely not “imperialism” in any sense outside of quoting a dictionary article , and even the most conservative of historians will agree with that

Like imperialism in its fully realized sense is such a specific set of political and economic conditions that involves control and hegemony over a wide range of foreign lands that to call rejoining your own ethnicity’s country imperialism is just proof of a massive lack of grasp on these concepts

But dude thats what the entire conflict is about? Putin has for the past 15 years has stated that ukraine joining the nato means war. He fears a east expansion of the nato and goes against it. He wants the nato to rule out that the ukraine will ever join it. Im sorry I dont get your point.

Sure go call it imperialism but it’s nowhere near comparable to what the US does in the modern day, or what any colonial empire did in the days of imperialism

They're smoking Putin's d***.

That makes me sound like a spokesperson for EU gang.

I guess besided the usual ww3 jokes there is not much to say. Wether Putin actually wants the ukrainian territory or just to force the nato to rule out any their membership is questionable.

I am obviously hoping that nothing escalates. Currently I am also annoyed how the German government seems to be in a bit of a conflict wether they want to include Nord Stream 2 into the sanctions but I mean I guess any effect remains to be seen
yeah I dunno and I dont think anybody really can know

It's crazy that Western media are platforming Ukraine's Right Sector and just blanketly accepting their statements that they're not a far-right extremist group at face value, it's like they're so anti-Russia that they don't believe when Russian media correctly identifies them as a basically Neo-Nazi group

Not pro-Putin at all here btw, and I don't quite understand why so many people here seem to be, are you telling me it's a good thing to escalate tensions and tilt towards a pointless war? Putin is not good man, supporting him 'from the left' is braindead